non-factors who have managed hype.....

Rational and well thought out. :bears:

 

stevie johnston should've won fighter of the year that year.

i thought tapia clearly won the rematch.

btw, bones adams sucked.

 

Any American bantamweight's going to get attention.

 

:: Now Bones Adams sucked. Joony is on a rol today.

 

tapia's another fighter who's been vastly overrated. his career defining win came against danny romero.

 

he would've beaten fenech tho. ::

 

Romero was a good fighter.

He moved up in weight right after that loss and I thought he beat Bungu for the super bantam title.

 

So did I, but he lost his next big fight.

 

Johnston had an argument, though it would've been based on volume more than anything as Ayala's win over Tapia was a much bigger win than any individual win Johnston had that year.

I disagree with you about the rematch.

Adams was a good fighter and solid champion, though I never considered him as good as the FNF crew led on...and the "p4p baddest white boy around" talk (and attire) was a bit much.

 

I don't remember the Ring stuff. Interesting.

This did remind me about Ayala taking short money in the rematch. It was a very cool move he said he was doing for the fans. And it was very atypical at that time.

 

Yeah, but he was considered a huge puncher at super fly. That perception may have been wrong, but that's how he was regarded at the weight before the Tapia fight.

 

romero was a good fighter? i remember seeing him get busted up by old williy salazar on espn.

ayala was a good fighter, but nothing special. like i said, that year when he won fighter of the year was based on that single win over tapia.

johnston that year had beaten bazan in a rematch, an unbeaten rios, and manfredy (who was coming off a win over robinson who twice had beaten gatti).

 

Yeah, If I remember correctly Ring did the same thing after the Morales-Barrera I.

Ayala did make several concessions for the rematch...I think Ring Magazine outlined them at the time.

 

He narrowly beat Baza in the rematch and looked pedestrian against Rios. He beat Manfredy clearly, but Manfredy would lose to a lot of champions clearly.

 

Paulie Ayala and Jose Luis Castillo have been mentioned as non factors. I think this thread is heading in the wrong direction at warp speed.

 

No,it was after his fight with Duncan Donuts that started all the hype for Guinn:nono:

 

'Dom Guinn is the next Joe Louis' - every second prick on the internet.

 

That whole Night Of The Young Heavyweights card was an embarrassment for HBO.

It's ironic that the two who became the most accomplished heavyweights that fought on the card (Peter, Lyakhovich) weren't even televised by the network.

 

Mo Bettah > White Tree Stump

 

Yeah, at least when HBO was hyping up Mesi almost nobody bought into it.

 

larry merchant said guinn was the best american heavyweight he's seen since riddick bowe. hahahahaha

jc. gomez was the best fighter on that garbage card.

 

:doh:

 

Not the best heavyweight.

Gomez-Jirov was certainly a great fight that should have happened.

 

....and...

 

he wasnt?

who else was on that card? gomez beat i am sam, who was probably the second best heavy on that card.

peter is probably the best from that entire card, but back then he was merely a propsect.

 

I don't get it.

 

I think Lyakhovich is better than Peter.

Gomez has to beat someone other than McCall for me to consider him the best from that card...and he didn't help himself by following that win up showing up in the condition he did against Diaz getting KO'd in the first.

 

gomez-lyakhovich is a toss up.

gomez got stopped by yanqui doodle, but he showed up fat and got stopped on his feet. lykahovich got stopped by mo harris and briggs both of whom weren't even in the top 10.

gomez is up for a shot at the winner of peter-maskaev so we'll see how he does against the winner.

if maskaev somehow beats peter, i'd probably bet on gomez to outbox maskaev.

 

Lyakhovich is trash, IMO. Good orthodox skills, but has absolutely no second or third gear. He's also horribly lazy.

I think he's your typical, skilled Euro. But nothing more than an average heavyweight. A lifetime top 20 kind of guy and little more.

 

Gomez will be fighting Virchis in a WBC title eliminator. Very interesting fight. The winner will fight Peter, Maskaev or Vitali in 2011. :clap: