HBO approves Cotto/Gomez, Margarito/Judah maybe on undercard

According to BT:

I can live with it if it's a doubleheader. If it was just Cotto-Gomez, I would be very disappointed.

 

Cotto is fighting the first walk out bout of his career.

 

Cotto-Gomez will be a shoe-in to win the award for boty(beating of the year).

 

Everyone was writing Gomez out before he fought Gatti, and he pulled up the upset. Doesn't matter Cotto KO3.

 

No they werent. Almost everybody gave Gomez at least a chance against Gatti, and many picked him.

But this is a mismatch. Cotto will beat the bloody hell outta Gomez and I'll enjoy it!:bears:

 

He should fight Vernon "Big mouth" Forrest

. Verrnon: I've got nothing against Cotto, he's a tremendous fighter. What he did in his last couple of fights is phenomenal, fighter of the year is between him and Pavlik. Between them which one do you like? I would beat the dog shit of out little Miguel Cotto, I would beat the dog shit out of him. I just want everybody to know that the Viper is back, like Fitty said, this is a warning shot

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Forrest would have a VERY legit chance of beating Cotto. A much better one than Margarita.

 

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dsimon writes:

Vernon couldn't handle Mayorga, I doubt he could handle Cotto. Cotto would put him in a shell and have Vernon running from piller to post. Cotto would also probably, unlike Mayiorga, jab Forrest if he tried to get cute and overpower him.

 

What a mismatch. These set-up doubleheaders are the newest bullshit in boxing, and the supposed fights never happen anyway. Arum probably hopes Judah wins, so he can set up Cotto/Judah II, because I think Margarito has the exact style to beat Cotto.

 

Cotto is better than Mayorga HOWEVER they have different styles. Cotto isnt as quick, wild, or explosive coming in as Mayorga, and IMO isnt as physically strong. Mayorga's unpredictability, strength, and deceptive quickness is what gave Forrest fits. Cotto is much more methodical, and patient than Mayorga, which plays into Vernon's hands. Cotto may have been able to outbox, and outjab Shane in spots, but I wouldnt count on him doing the same to Forrest. Also, Vernon's right hand and uppercut are MADE to land on Cotto, and Vernon certainly has enough pop to seriously hurt Cotto.

If this was the Forrest of 02 then I'd pick him over Cotto with NO HESITATION at all! Cotto would have a chance now because Forrest is older, more injury prone. But I think I'd still pick Forrest. He just has a bad style for Cotto.

BTW - the Mosley of 02 that Forrest beat, woulda wiped his ass with Cotto!

 

Judah has NO chance at beating Margarita. I've always liked Zab, but this is one fight I have no faith, or expectation of him winning. If Margarita doesnt stop Zab, then he should be ashamed of himself. Zab went the distance in his last fight w/the type of bum he usually destroys. That should tell you something. Judah has slipped.

As for Cotto-Margarita.... Margarita has a chance, but I aint picking him. Cotto will in all likelyhood break Margarita down and punish him.

 

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Xplosive beat me to something. I think Forrest could seriously hurt Cotto with his uppercut.

 

Yup. Much as I despite Forrest, he has looked damn good in his last two fights. At this point the only guy from 147-154 who I'd pick over Vern with certainty would be Floyd. But I admit Floyd would never fight him.

I'd make Forrest a favorite over Margarita, and a slight favorite over Cotto.

He'd beat the living shit outta DLH, and Goldie knows this. Oscar will never in a million years step inside the ring with Forrest.

 

Speaking of Forrest, is Vern's 2nd daddy Quartey re-retired? Cause based on the way Ike fought vs Forrest, and Wright, he could still be a player at 147-154 if he wanted to be.

 

Forrest is a difficult matchup for anyone at 147, including and especially Floyd. He is a world class, skilled, pedigree boxer with above average power. Those who don't think so haven't spent enought time in the gym.

With that said.

I love the Cotto/Gomez fight. It will be a huge marketing aid for Cotto. Judah/Margarito is great as well. All on one card is what boxing should be doing all the time. Great card.opcorn:

 

Nothing new about them.

 

sorry guys, but Judah/Margarito is a great fight that should be made. Cotto/Gomez is a bit of a reach, but Gomez put on a great show against Gatti and is a good highlight reel maker for Cotto. Bitch all you want. i'll be watching the fight.

 

Couldn't disagree more, 2 mismatches will never be good for boxing. :shit:

Shitty card.

 

So if it was just Cotto/Gomez, would you pay to watch it?

 

Garbage. Cotto shouldn't befighting guys like Gomez. It's just bullshit.

 

I think the pre-layoff Forrest would give today's Cotto a lot of problems. mainly because he could offset Cotto's timing with the jab, and then mix in his power shots (mainly the uppercut, as some have pointed out) when Cotto started slowing down and standing stright in fron tof him.

I am not so sure about today's Forrest. I thought he abandoned the jab too much in the Quartey fight. And if Quartey could make him change his gameplan, Cotto's pressure certainly could.

I give Cotto the edge, but not by too much.

He'll blow out Gomez though in a VERY entertaining fight. Gomez is no pussy, and he'll give a better account of himself than his boy Manfredo did in Wales.

 

Worst fight in memory, since the last time a Gomez was on HBO.

 

dsimon writes:

Somehow Vernon's stock went way up. Vernon is a good fighter no doubt but he is an orthodox guy with good skills, not a technician. Quartey beat him (despite the decision) the way most guys should be able to. Mosley's problem with Forrest are related to reach.

And yeah Cotto does hang out in an area where he can get tagged occasionally by a good jabber and uppercut, but Vernon does not have the legs, nor the movement skills to compete with Cotto.

I understand your point but people tend to:

1) overestimate Shane. Shane is limited. He cannot adjust and it didn't take Forrest much to use his reach under the circumstances.

2) Forget that yeah Vernon can box but he does not have the footwork that makes it work flawlessly like a true technician. He lost to Mayorga because he couldn't move properly against a puncher.... not because Mayorga is explosive. Cotto is more methodical and plodding but he is a better puncher than Quartey and, though it is true he is less explosive than Mayorga, his punches hurt a lot more than Ricardo's do.

Vernon makes it work when he can exploite a weakness but he can be overpowered because he has no footwork.

 

Forest won that fight easy. Ike was inefective as usual.

 

Quartey won at least 6 rounds of that fight. There's just no way Forrest won even five, IMO.

On the subject of Forrest, Cotto beats his ass at any point in his career. Vernon would be holding tight from round one and would be on the defense from the ring walks. Coto's body attack rapes the skin and bone of Vernon's midsection.

 

I never understood people who scored rounds for Quartey when he was infective, was unable to land clean punches and got hit with clean punches every round. He's a one handed fighter with average power. I was rooting for him but he the judges got it right. Easy win for Vernon.

And I think Vernon would whip Cotto. Cotto is sort of a front runner in the sense where he can dish it out but he can't take it IMO. Forest will hit you and hit you hard and he's a good technician who won't stand in front of Cotto. I think he beats him easy just like he did Quartey.

 

Ok, mate. :notallthere:

 

Cmon mate, the last time you said i was crazy was when I said Floyd could hurt Hatton::

 

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