A question for those who watched the fight tonight

dsimon writes:

Could Roy give Joe a run for his money? I went to Chinatown tonight because I knew how this fight would turn out but did Roy look like he could be competative with Joe at this point in his career?

 

Yes he could, all jokes aside he took some serious shots tonight and i give he 100% credit as a Tito fan. He would be more then live.

 

He could make it competitive in that he could win some rounds and maybe not get blown out.

He would simply get outworked though.

 

Calzaghe-Jones would look like Barrera-Pacman II IMO.

 

I think he would be weathering the storm too much and lose too many rounds to be able to win off the ropes, but he did show a better defense than what he has exhibited lately and actually looked comfortable at that weight now, that's why I give him a chance......so it's possible, but like I said.....Joe has too much stamina and pressure for Roy to win decisively, but it isn't impossible :dunno:

 

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Calzaghe would beat Roy badly.

 

dsimon writes:

What occurs to me is that Bernard will force Joe out of his comfort zone and that could change joe's capacity to do the things he does to win fights.

Roy might still be faster than Joe but he would have to apply a lot more pressure. He would also have to hurt Joe to keep him honest.

 

Roy doesn't hit hard enough these days, isn't elusiveness, isn't busy enough, isn't strong enough.

Roy probably isn't fast enough to land the miracle shot, either, and that would be his only chance.

I'd pick Roy to quit in his corner in the later rounds after getting beaten pretty badly throughout.

 

No way he Quits,he didnt after that licking in the first Tarver fight $$he wont now to much pride.

 

You lost me at the end, Roy isn't in this to look bad with his ego, he would never quit :nono: if anything he would allow himself to get KO, not quit.....too much ego there to quit.

 

Calzaghe or Hopkins would crucify Roy at this stage. He is too much of a beta to be competitive with either now that his reflexes have slowed (albeit not a ton)

 

Not Hopkins :nono:

 

If this Roy fights hopkins, i will lay 100 that hopkins knocks him out. Roy was scared of Tito, even after he felt his power and realized he couldn't be hurt. Someone with Hopkins attributes will absolutely crush Roy

 

Roy won the first Tarver fight and didn't take a licking even if you thought he lost (like I did). A Glen Johnson-type beating is what I would expect against Calz. And I don't consider quitting in the corner in a fight you can't win and are getting hurt to (usually) be a disgrace.

Maybe you guys are right and Roy would never quit, but I think back to all the times we've heard Roy being worried about getting permanently damaged in the sport and I think Calz would remind him of those comments.

 

He went after Tito and threw punches, I don't know how that is being scared, he was cautious for the first three, but after that :dunno:

Roy will counter Hopkins all night. That is a bet you can count on if it happens :clap: Hopkins ain't ko Roy, gtfoh......

 

He was behind I'm sure on 2 of three cards (116-110) going into the 7th round, against a shot has been 154lber who lost 12-0 to Winky "killed by hopkins at this same 170" Wright. Lets not pretend this Roy is any different from the one who fought Tarver the third time, or even the one who fought Johnson. He just fought a guy he was bigger than, who hadn't fought in years, and whose attributes matched up great against Roy.

Roy could have knocked Tito out if he had that fire in him. My prediction before the fight was Roy by decision. Roy is good enough to KO trinidad but he doesn't have that killer instinct, and he hasn't had it in years. Fighting a guy like Hopkins would only get him an obscene beating. Hopkins doesn't give u mechanical straight punches, Hopkins isn't significantly smaller, and Roy can't hurt Hopkins with every clean punch.

 

Amazing people still want to talk about the Winky fight and want to completely deny what they saw. It's like people still talking about the first Griffen fight how Jones was a joke. Roy didn't hurt Hopkins in the first fight either, what difference did that make? NONE. Jones' style is too quick for Hopkins, hopefully we will see But let me make this clear, NO WAY Hopkins knocks Jones out, there is no possible reason why you should believe this :nono:

 

well the last time he was stocked by someone with skill he was beaten into submission by someone with less power, less skill than Hopkins.

The winky fight was the last time Tito was in the ring, and after a tune up fight at 160. This Roy fight was at 170, no tune-up, against someone very bad for him on paper.

How does the griffin 1 situation even compare to this?...I'm simply being objective about what Roy faced, ignoring the fact of how popular these guys are and looking at what they've done for me in the past 4 years (NOTHING)

Hopkins has gotten better since he fought Roy (in a 9/3 8/4 fight in Roy's physical prime) and Roy has regressed and been pummeled by guys Hopkins has since annihilated. Did you see Hopkins/Tarver?

Hopkins punishes people who fight at his pace, and at this stage in his career Roy fights at Hopkins' pace, even if he maintains most of his handspeed edge. He certainly didn't win there first fight by being flatfooted with earmuffs whenever Hopkins threw

 

Quickly how you want to forget shedding weight when you have no fat, and getting KO and taking a fight shortly after that. He was KO by nothing punch from Johnson, if he was that brain damaged, Tito would have easily KO him.

Another myth about Hopkins being better now than he was when he faced Jones, but saying Tito's punches looked good because of who he was fighting, I expect this from you :doh:

8-4? Blasphemy :laughing: , LMAO! You lost ALL credibility now ::

 

I agree. Jones would have some bright moments but he wouldn't come anywhere near winning. Tonight he was just bullying a smaller man

 

It was like watching Floyd fight Hatton, that's how small Tito has become tonight.

 

which was bullshit.

Hatton was an undefeated champion coming in who had already beaten a great fighter (Tszyu). Tito was coming off a 12-0 loss and 4 years of retirement in between that, surely u can see why myself and others aren't all on the Jones bandwagon for beating someone Calzaghe would stop in a MAXIMUM of 4 rounds

 

Where is Tszyu, you seen him? Surely the Tito logic applies to all fighters. What that has to do with Floyds size over Hattons is beyond me.

And the Jones haters bandwagon sees a 4 round stoppage, I didn't claim Jones would win the way he did with Tito tonight or even win necessarily against Joe, I just stated it was a possibility and could go the distance even though he would probably lose a decision, but already you guys are putting words in peoples mouths, that's how deep the hate runs.

 

I misread what u were saying as talking about how everyone shit on hatton after the Floyd fight, in the way im "shitting on Tito"

I'm a Jones hater because i speak the truth about him getting KTFO by Glencoffe Johnson, or saying with his decline he doesn't have a chance in hell against Hopkins or Calzaghe? I'm not here saying Roy is basura, just that he isn't an elite fighter, and he doesn't have the tools to beat people like Hopkins anymore

 

I'm talking about how small Hatton was to Floyd, for REAL. You guys are saying Tito was some midget or something.

No, I speak the truth about the Johnson fight. Roy has been hit many times since then with harder, cleaner, crisper punches than the one that put him down. It's a fact. And one could EASILY make the assumption he was still damaged from a concussion in his last fight and came back too soon and didn't prepare properly for the type of fight he got into with Johnson, with a mix of being past it, and not used to the weight :: .....

I am not argueing necessarily with Joe, but moreso against Hopkins. Hopkins is a boring non-puncher that is slipping too, I see Jones winning that one based on Jones countering, until they face each other, it just became mythical matchup

 

Boxing fans are great for the sport, but they make life terribly unpleasant when it comes to discussing the sport with them.

 

Non-post of the year :bears:

 

@ only 20 days in, I think I'm going to have a hard time holding onto top spot. Especially here on fightbeat.

 

Don't sell yourself short.

 

Seriously though, Tito looked better than he ever has......I never seen so many low blows landed in one fight. In his "prime" Tito could only muster a few a fight. Jones showed he can take a punch to the nuts, unlike Vargas when they fought. Both fighters are back.