Who Hit Harder? Hearns Or Pavlik??

Kelly Or Thomas???

You decide.

 

Kelly's gonna have to further prove his power before it can be compared to Hearns. Right now I'd definitely go with Tommy. Its arguable which one had heavier hands, but Tommy had by far faster hands, which is part of the reason why he was so devestating.

 

Yeah, Hearns complemented his power with Speed, but maybe that makes the argument that Pavlik, who is slower, throws purer hard shots.

Also, Pavliks power has been evident against natural 154lbrs and 160lbrs...whereas Hearns started lower.

So that evens it up a bit, IMHO.

 

Has Hearns ever KOed undisputed, true, linear middleweight champion of the world, like Pavlik did?

 

More like disputed decisions over Hopkins, Wright, and Spinks.

 

For a preview of what Hearns-Taylor would have looked like, watch Hearns-Shuler.

 

Hearns no question! P4P Hearns is one of the hardest hitters in history!

I like Pavlik but TAKE IT EASY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He just won the belt and was nearly stopped in the process! Comparing him to a legend at this stage is ridiculous.

 

I don't think he was nearly stopped at all. He was dropped and staggered. He was nowhere near being out of it..

 

They are being compared in one very particular and specific sense. Thats all.

 

this is one of the reasons Pavlik is overrated like hell.

He KO's Taylor - the same Taylor people have been shitting on for the past year for being a fraud. Now all of a sudden Pavlik in the level of hearns?::

Hearns was more devastating against tougher competition. Funny how the only knock on Hearns was his chin.

Pavlik damn near got kod by that same TAylor most considered a fraud. :dunno:

I like Pavlik but to me right now he is simply the best fighter at 160. Nothing wrong with that. But let's not pretend he cleaned out some great division.

Actually after beating Taylor there is nothing left at 160 for him to do except several tittle defenses.

 

I'm definately NOT part of the old timers>present fighters club.. but in this case Hearns has gotta take it.

 

I think some of you are missing the point. This isn't about who was better, Hearns or Pavlik, its about who hit harder. People piss about Kelly this and Kelly that {respective to Hearns} but the truth is that Kelly has consistently laid guys out in pretty spectacular style. This is about punching power, not overall grades.

 

It also has to do with who you ko.

So far Taylor is the biggest name Pavlik has kod. Not bad! considering he is the only who has done that. But again it's the same Taylor people considered a fraud that was feasting on smaller fighters. So Pavlik didn't ko some great champion.

Hearn's was a harder puncher not just because he hit harder or was faster but his resume is more impresive in the guys he kod.

 

Patterson and Ali both KO'd Moore, and did so faster than Marciano. Also, a small French-Canadian Light Heavyweight called Yvon Durelle had Moore all over the place when they fought.......so......maybe Rocky Marciano didn't hit that hard??

:dunno:

 

In your earlier post you brought up plenty of things that have nothing to do with who hits harder (such as Pavlik "being nearly KOed" against Taylor)

It is guessing game here of course. I'd assume Hearn's best shot was more effective than Pavlik's but measuring every punch (=heavier hands) I think Pavlik takes it

 

It's simple dude!

I compared their resumes. Hearns aside from being more skilled and having more speed kod more impressive oponents. Damn near anybody can ko bums or the type you face coming up in the ranks.

Pavlik's biggest KO is against TAylor - enough said.

heavier hands? why don't you just say Pavlik has bigger knuckles while your at it? ::

 

As Much as REED Looooooooooves Kelly Pavlik, the OBVIOUS Choice is Tommy Hearns...

Tommy's Power was PROVEN from Welter THRU Lightheavy...Even as a SHOT Crusier, Guys Still RESPECTED Tommy's POWER...

Pavlik is a Murderous MIDDLEWEIGHT Puncher, but that's It for Now...if,If,IF he can Carry his Power THRU Lightheavy THEN we can BEGIN Having this Discussion...

Right Now it's PREMATURE & DISrespectful to Tommy Hearns, to Ask this Question...



REED

 

Not Quite, but Marvin Hagler (The Undisputed, True, Linear Middleweight Champion of the World @ the Time), Possessor of 1 of THE Best Chins EVER Credits Tommy Hearns & John Mugabi as THE BEST Punchers he's Ever Faced...

Tommy had Hagler more VISABLY Hurt than Anybody REED has Seen...


REED

 

But Hearns LAID OUT Cuevas, Duran, Shuler & Roldan IN STYLE, to Name a Few...

Pavlik's List of Victims DOESN'T Measure Up to Hearns'...


REED:nono:

 

Pavlik is without a doubt one of the most overrated fighters that I have ever seen. People are now trying to compare his power to one of the greatest fighters in history. This is un-fucking-real.

 

Hearns had shaky legs and a questionable chin, but when the son of a bitch extended that straight right hand and landed it with length and leverage, it was among the P4P most powerful shots in boxing.

I still remember him jumping up to lightheavy and knocking Dennis Andries around like he was a welterweight. The power from the right hand of Hearns was effective over a 30 pound span of weight classes.

Pavlik is not even in the same ballpark in my opinion.

 

Some people have a hard time comparing a current guy to a past great.

Not only did Hearns hit harder than Pavlik because he is an all-time great, he is shorter, taller, blacker, whiter, faster, slower, meaner and nicer than Pavlik will ever be. Just look at their respective resumes.

 

has hearns ever scored a come from behind KO? his power was deadly early on, but seems to me like he couldnt use it to his advantage whenever he was in trouble.

hearns had awesome precision and knocked guys the fuck out, but going backwards, i'm not sure if he had the ability to comeback and hurt his opponent (although he did stun hagler while being backed against the ropes). if anything, hearns relied on his skills to outbox guys if it was gonna last the distance.

pavlik, however, can knock you out in any round and is dangerous at all times.

but that isn't to say he hit harder than hearns.

 

Roldan had Hearns N SERIOUS Trouble Prior to Being KO'ed...

REED Isn't Sure who was Ahead on the Scorecards, but REED can Remember Thinking "Here we Go, Tommy's Chin is about to FAIL him Again"...

Next Thing U Know, Tommy ICED Roldan...

Sure, this Wasn't a 10th Round KO where Tommy was Waaaaaaaay Behind on the Scorecards, but it SHOWED that Tommy Could RELY on his POWER to Bail him OUT of Adversity...



REED

 

Hell, half of the power KO's that people refer to in Hearns favour were BELOW 160.

They have this pfp dyslexy, and confuse themselves with issues such as "range of weights", or " pfp power".

For me, Pavlik, at 160, is one of the most brutish hitters ever to grace 160. Now maybe this is a misperception on my behalf, but the unhurried, indifferent, methodically indolent approach he takes seems to take away from his rep. If he climbed all over guys from day 1, maybe he would be higher regarded.

And I don't even like him.

 

yes, roldan did stun him, but hearns was beating his ass for the most part.

 

REED would Agree that Pavlik has HEAVIER HANDS...He Puts ALOT LESS Effort N 2 his Shots, yet Gets a Similar Response as Hearns...

But "Hitting Hard" is a Product of EVERYTHING...SPEED of Delivery, TORQUE, HEAVY "Handedness", etc...

Tommy Put Away a BETTER Crop of Guys & N BREATHTAKING Fashion...& the FACT REMAINS, Tommy Did it @ VARIOUS Weights...

Tommy Fought OVER 30 Bouts @ 147...It's NOT Like he was STRUGGLING to Make Weight, Picking on Smaller Guys:nono: ...That was his OPTIMUM Weight @ the Time...& he ICED Guys...

& Tommy CONTINUED to Do this THRU Lightheavy...For Pavlik to B COMPARABLE, he'd have to Do Likewise THRU Crusier...

Again, it's VERY Premature to Pose this Question...

REED

 

Reed......perhaps you are right, but one thing I am determined to do is to take this conversation away from pfp.

Jimmy Wilde iced a tonne of guys at 108-122.

But I'd say Pavlik hit harder than him.

Now, maybe Pavlik has work to do, as you say, at 175, 168...but whatever Hearns did at 147 really shouldn't be used to promote his case.

Always remember, sparking a guy who weighs 147 isn't as easy as sparking a guy at 160.

Granted, Hearns worked both ends of the 160 barrier....but only 1 will be applicable in time, as far as Pavlik goes.

 

Yeah but Hearns was one of them 'pufferfish' ..able to feature in divisions he never belonged in,...ie- Hopkins, Fraud, De La Hoya,..and so on..

 

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This is premature, but given a few more years Pavlik might be considered a harder puncher. For now Miranda and Taylor is a start.