Who Hit Harder? Hearns Or Pavlik??

I think Pavlik has heavier hands too. He kinda reminds me of Foreman in the way his punches have way more effect than you'd have expected given the speed (or lack thereof) and effortless way the punches are thrown.

 

Agreed. I'm not about to say he hits harder tha Hearns but Pavlik hurts guys for sure. His shots do remind me alot of foremans. They come slow but they freaking hurt. He also puts his shots together well and leads with a jab most of the time, which is why he's able to land those huge right hands. Speed isn't everything that's for sure.

 

Kelly doesn't load up until he throws a few rangefinder-type combinations. As soon as he has the distancing, he lays the lumber.

Thomas had that explosive-type power that relied on acceleration for most of its zap while Kelly's power seems more heavy but not lightning fast.

It's like George Chuvalo described Foreman's power versus Frazier's. Frazier's was like getting hit 100 miles per hour by a Pontiac whereas Foreman's was like getting hit 50 miles per hour by a Mack truck! ::

In other words, Frazier's was really fast, but Foreman's was much heavier. It's not as great a difference for Pavlik vs Hearns at middleweight in terms of speed or power, but Kelly seems heavier-handed and his power is more deliberate...on the other hand he's not as fast.:dunno:

 

Thats the essence of the argument buddy............I think Kelly is a heavier puncher, Hearns was maybe a better "Ko Artist".

That said I also agree with Reeds hypothesis.....Pavlik maybe has a few rungs to climb yet.

 

Yeah, Pavlik just won his first title and has to make some defenses. Hearns was a two-division champ already when he made his middleweight debut...and Hearns' run through welterweight and junior middleweight had crushing KOs against quality opposition. Pavlik would have to be at light heavyweight before we could begin to make a comparison of their power against world-ranked opposition.

 

If both guys weighed in at 160, who would YOU rather have punch you in the face until you fell down?

 

This suggests multiple punches would be needed, and is thus misleading.

 

For real, It's much of a muchness, one flush shot from either and you likely wouldn't feel anything for a short time

 

Kelly is way bigger. Not only is he a natural middlewight, but he's a natural middleweight of modern, day before weigh ins, so that has to be factored in. Taylor would have campaigned at light heavyweight in the early-mid 80's, has Tommy ever sparked out a world class opponent as big as that like Pavlik did? Not that I can recall.

p4p, Hearns, no doubt, but in actuality, it's probably very close and I might lean towards Pavlik.

 

Oh please enough of that modern day, day before weigh-in bullshit. Your acting is if Hearns fought in the 50's or somethin. Tommy competed at 175 and blasted out light heavys in the modern, day-before weigh-in era. You ARE correct in saying that Kelly is naturally bigger than Hearns, but size has little to do with power. Hearns was a more devestating puncher than Pavlik. Hearns KOing Duran, and Roldan is more impressive IMO than KOing Taylor. Duran & Roldan were both tough as nails and had reputations for having great chins. Tommy knocked them around the ring everytime he hit them, and brutally KO'd them. Whereas Taylor's chin was never really tested prior to fighting Pavlik, not to mention that a non-puncher in Hopkins had Taylor on queer street in thier first fight.

 

don't believe your girlfriend. Size does matter

 

Size isnt the main factor when it comes to power you simp. If it was, McCline would be one of the biggest punchers in history. Pavlik is heavier boned than Tommy was, but it doesnt mean he's a bigger puncher. Hearns' explosive handspeed combined with his brute power made his power more devestating than Pavlik's.

 

Well, that is a bit different from what you originally said::

 

I'm not even sure Pavlik hits as hard as Nigel Benn, much less Tommy Hearns.

 

I said size has little to do with power. Thats not to say it has NOTHING to do with power, but its not the main factor.

 

Where that quote from Iran Barkley? "Jermaine let a real string bean knock him out." :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

 

hearns never KO'd a world class fighter Taylor's size, once he got above middlewight he was no longer a devastating puncher and relied much more on his skills. Power IS relative to size (which is the whole fucking point in weight classes, dingbat). Every fighter has the cutting point after which their power is no longer as effective - sometimes the difference is as little as 4 or 5 pounds. Just look at Tito failing to raise an eyebrow from china chinned roy, ffs. Pavlik is fighting & KOing bigger guys than Hearns did and that IS relevant.

 

Emperor Pavlik hits much harder than Hearns for the obvious reason.

 

because he's white you mean?

 

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Roldan, Schuler and Dennis Andries the reigning WBC light heavyweight champion were not "World Class"!

:notallthere:

 

Dennis Andries.....can you say Jeff Harding??

 

Pavlick

I will say that Pavlick has very impressive power. It's crushing. Heards hit hard, but Hearns hit with more technique and not as much pure power.

 

Thats what I think it comes down.

Hearns was a diamond ring.

Pavlik is a nugget of shit-encrusted gold.