After re-watching RJ-Trinidad

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  1. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    Roy better hope that Hopkins can somehow beat Calz, cause I think Roy is still capable of beating Hopkins. RJ still has far superior speed than B-hop, Hop doesnt have the power to stop Jones, and Roy's decrease in workrate is evened up cause Hopkins' workrate nowadays is even WORSE.

    Roy should stay away from Calz at this point, and he should DEFINITELY stay away from a guy like Pavlik, or Dawson, but I'd still favor him to beat Hopkins, even though I might be in the minority.
     
  2. Joe King

    Joe King WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    The only part I disagree with is Hopkins not having enough power to stop Jones. I think at this stage, Ivan Calderon can stop RJJ with a well placed shot.
     
  3. Hex-One

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    Hey X what do you think about Tito? Do you think he can do something @160?
     
  4. atomicdOGg34

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    thats ridiculous
     
  5. Barristan

    Barristan Undisputed Champion

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    PPPlease stop with this Roy nonesense. The man looked like a geriatric shell in the ring. Bernard would light his ass up and beat him to ground.
     
  6. Mitchell Kane

    Mitchell Kane WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    It's hard to take anything away from this fight because I don't think Jones really respected Trinidad's chances to hurt him or beat him in this fight and that allowed him to open up more offensively. Trinidad only had continued success punching to the body...which, at times, Jones freely gave him.

    I think Jones may still enough left to compete against some of the names mentioned, but whether he still has the mentality is a different question.
     
  7. Joe King

    Joe King WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Not really. I don't like writing that. I'm a Roy fan but I have no faith in his chin.:eek:ld:
     
  8. puerto rock

    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    I would favor Jones over Hopkins. I think he would actually have a chance against Calzaghe even though Joe is the rightful favorite. I would like to see how Joe deals with somebody who's even faster than him.
     
  9. atomicdOGg34

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    no no, saying ivan calderone, who cant even KO 90 pound guys will KO jones is ridiculous

    and you call yourself a fan
     
  10. Irish98

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    Jones wins a close decision against Hopkins. Calzaghe beats him via wide decision.
     
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    Here's the deal...

    We have to keep in mind Roy looked good against a guy he would have STOMPED 6 years ago. To get a better gague on how he would do against Calzaghe, you have to look at his fight against an opponent with a high work rate like Anthony Hanshaw. Jones beat Hanshaw without much trouble, but Hanshaw still touched him too much for my liking. Calzaghe (who doesn't have much power to hurt Jones but has a high work rate) is MUCH better than Hanshaw and would have a chance (at this point in life) to beat Jones. I would NEVER had said that even 4 years ago.

    Add that to the fact that Roy doesn't seem to be intrested in stopping his opponents anymore. (he could have stopped Tarver, Hanshaw AND Tito had he stepped on the gas at all...) and it only seems a fight aganst Joe would go to the cards... Any fight that goes to the cards in Wales is going to Calzage end of story. They won't cheat Roy, they will just score punches that hit arms and gloves as connects and Joe would win on points...


    Having said all that, Roy COULD beat him if he tries to stop him. He just won't...
     
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    On another note...


    I just saw the fight today. Roy actually looked GOOD at times... He looked like his old self in spots...

    Trinidad only hit him as much as he did because Jones KNEW Tito couldn't hurt him thus he gave him the body...

    If Roy tried, he could have stopped Trinidad, but he did what he always does of late and let him off the hook.

    I wish Roy would retire, but if he doesn't I wouldn't mind seing him fight Dawson or Calzaghe, but just one of them, then be done with the game.

    I don't think Dawson is going to get by Johnson, however...
     
  13. bigdawg

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    I agree with what is being said regarding Hopkins. I mean for those that claim that Roy doesn't throw punches hell he threw more in this 1 fight then what Hopkins did in 2 fights against Taylor. Hopkins is not going to throw punches like Hanshaw, Tito, or Johnson and he don't have the ko power of Tarver. I mean people talk about Roy not koing people when was the last time Hopkins had a legit KO and please don't say DLH cause we all know that was bullshit. The Jones/Hopkins fight would be crazy because we could litterally see multiple rounds where both guys didn't wouldn't throw a single punch while feinting each other to death. However, that's a fight I want to see. As far as Calzaghe is concerned. It will be interesting to see how Calzaghe does against a guy at 39 who would be faster and stronger than him. The main concern would be Roy's inactivitity and Joe's constant pressure. However Joe gets careless and with his offense being his best defense he could get caught with some hard ass shots from Joe. At this time I would favor Joe but I could see Roy winning as well. As far as Pavlik is concerned. He's slower foot and hand then Roy and is too basic for Roy. Roy beats his ass like he stole something. Roy would pot shot his ass to death.

    To answer the question about Tito. Hell yeah he can make some noise at 160. The dude still got mad skills and he got that TNT in his left hook that can ruin anyone's night. He got gotta get re-focused. I'll Holla 5000
     
  14. Bob N. Weave

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    I think Joe has the quicker hands at the moment.
     
  15. Victory

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    Stylistically, Roy matches up well with Hopkins, much the same Toney suited him. It's that simple.
     
  16. Haymaker

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    Roy got hit too much by a shot, inactive, slow fighter in Trinidad. Clearly, last saturday's fight proved that Roy doesn't have the reflexes anymore, or the legs. Trinidad slipped many of his punches, which says to me that Roy is even losing accuracy. Hopkins and Calzaghe are elite guys in tremendous shape and with sharp skills that will get to Roy sooner or later in the fight and make him pay. He's just too old.
     
  17. LOK

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    Roy wins a close dec vs hopkins, loses a dec to Joe C and gets stopped by Pavlik

    I agree with whoever said Roy COULD stop them all if he wanted..

    he could have stopped Tito IMO at any point he wanted to if he opened up
     
  18. Double L

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    What I found amazing about RJJ/Trinidad is the amount of success Tito had. Lederman, for example, had the fight 5-4 going into the tenth.

    And Tito's defense was pretty good.
     
  19. IMDAZED

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    I think that had to do with rust. Looked the same way versus Hanshaw early on as well. By the seventh round - against both fighters - Roy was landing at will.
     
  20. *Z*

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    Roy toyed with Tito. He only had the success Jones allowed him to have.
     
  21. Double L

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    i hope this is a joke. because i'm really tired of people attributing to RJJ this willingness, even now, to carry opponents, as if he's taking mercy on them or something. wtf? gimme a fucking break. RJJ beat Trinidad in as impressive fashion as he possibly could've, given his own limitations, and given the perceived threat from Tito. and that is the only sane, non-RJJ-ball-sucking way to look at it. i'm sorry.
     
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  22. atomicdOGg34

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    from all things i saw, roy in fact, did carry tito, i dont really think he wanted to KO him, they were cordial during the entire fight, even smiling at one another at times

    whether roy didnt open up because he didnt want to or because at his age he wasnt able is up for debate, but from what i saw he blocked almost all of titos punches on his arms and gloves, gave tito his body because he didnt have any respect for titos power and then hit tito at will

    both looked markedly better than they have the last few fights however, good, entertaining fights

    i do know this though, in a prime for prime match up roy would have absolutely smoked trinidad
     
  23. Haymaker

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    Rust?? :dunno: Last time I checked, it was Trinidad the one who went into the fight after a 2 yrs 1/2 layoff.
     
  24. *Z*

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    It was clear as day that Roy wasn't giving it his all. Every single time he threw a combo it hurt tito, he could have ended the fight any time he wanted to.
     
  25. Double L

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    believe what you will. but all i see when someone voices an opinion like this is remnants of RJJ's historic overratedness, and the tendency of his fans to put him on a pedestal and attribute to him super human powers. my advice to you is to pop in your copy of RJJ/Johnson.

    also, consider Wright/Trinidad. did Wright also carry Trinidad? or did he beat him by being careful?

    and you really think RJJ would miss out on the chance to one up Hopkins by knocking Tito out early? especially after he spent the whole promotion promising a knock-out?!!! you're insane !!! you're absolutely delusional somehow.
     
  26. *Z*

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    I'm no Roy fan, I just call it like I see it. Maybe Roy just can't fight at a greater pace than he did with Tito, I don't know, but it sure looked like Roy was toying wth him to me.
     
  27. Joe King

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    Well, even Roy told Tito after the fight: "I can't believe you went all 12 with me!".
     
  28. IMDAZED

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    He's 39, 7 months is a long time in between fights. Older fighters simply take longer to warm up. It's like an old car.
     
  29. *Z*

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    I don't know what's not to believe for Roy, he didn't throw any fucking punches. Of course Tito lasted the distance.
     
  30. Haymaker

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    Well, that doesn't means that he isn't a shell of his former self. He can't hang in there with the likes of calzaghe or hopkins if he couldn't hang in there with Glenn Johnson and Antonio Tarver, who obviously are a league below, AND Roy is older now.
     

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