Rate the generation

Many seem intent on lingering like bad smells, but it looks like it's finally all done but the shouting (Hopkins/Calzaghe aside), for the 90's generation. How will they rank when the dust settles in terms of talent and significant achievement?

Oscar
Tito
Jones
B-Hop
Morales
Barrera
Tszyu
Lopez
Hamed
Lewis
Michalczewski
Mosley
Calzaghe
Wright
Toney

rank 'em 1-12. I'll come back later with my list.(note Holyfield, Chavez, Whitaker and other fighters whos major achievements began in the 80s aren't included)

 

1. B-Hop
2. Oscar
3. Jones
4. Tito
5. Lewis
6. Lopez
7. Barrera
8. Morales
9. Calzaghe
10. Mosley
11. Tszyu
12. Wright
13. Hamed
14. Michalczewski



:crafty:

 

1. Hopkins
2. Roid
3. Lewis
4. Oscar
5. Calzaghe
6. Tito
7. Mosley
8. Barrera
9. Hamed
10. Tszyu
11. Wright
12. Morales
13. Dariusz
94. Lopez

 

Great thread.

1) Jones Jr.
2) Hopkins
3) Lewis
4) DLH
5) Lopez
6) Calzaghe
7) Tszyu
8) Barrera
9) Tito
10) Morales
11) Mosley
12) Wright

 

i'd rate James Toney in there some where.

 

:dunno:

Who did Tszyu beat in the 90-s? :dunno:

 

A lot of these fighters didn't do their best work in the 90's.

Winky Wright certainly didn't...two of his McKart wins didn't come til the 00's.

 

i think this rating is based on guys from 90s to 00s.

if that's the case, floyd mayweather is missing from the list. same w/ pacquiao and too sharp.

 

Please, please, please don't respond dymi about that subject. Let's keep the thread going

 

Why not? :dunno: :dunno:

 

This isn't a list about the biggest cheats.

 

Are you saying we should remove Jones?

 

His positive test is a bit more questionable.

 

Please, please, please don't respond ugo about that subject.

 

Great thread

~ZING!

 

He was referring to Mosley.::

 

1. Hopkins
2. Jones Jr
3. Trinidad
4. De La Hoya
5. Barrera
6. Mosley
7. Lewis
8. Morales
9. Calzaghe
10. Tszyu
11. Lopez
12. Hamed
13. Wright
14. Michaelczweski

 

Nah....

Just SCRATCH the ONE Fight he Tested Positive For FROM the Books...N Which Case, the Richard Hall Fight WON'T Count, Alright???...


REED

 

1. Jones Jr.
2. Hopkins
3. De la hoya
4. Barrera
5. Trinidad
6. Lewis
7. Lopez
8. Mosley
9. Calzaghe
10. Morales
11. Wright
12. Michealwhateverski
13. Hamed
14. Tszyu

 

Toney should definitely be on that list! He's a much greater fighter than Hamed & Michealshitski, and IMO greater than Wright as well.

 

By the Way, How Could ANYBODY Could Rank Bernard AHEAD of Roy???:dunno: ...Roy was MORE Talented, Accomplished MORE & BEAT him Head to Head...

What EXACTLY is YOUR Criteria???


REED:dunno:

 

I guess because the tail end of his career was better. :dunno:

 

Michalchevsky was a Euro. That fact alone should place him in top-5, regardless of the fact he's not even 1/10 oof Toney as a fighter.

 

Hopkins' career at the top was/is longer, he dominated his division longer, cleaned it out and made a record of title defenses. Jones was the more talented of the two but Hopkins' marvellous late career gives him the nod IMHO.

 

Only because B-Hop has had more longevity. Prime for prime I dont think theres anybody who would dispute that Roy's the best of the 90's generation. And if they do they're fools.

 

His record against common opponents? :dunno:

 

The only fighter Hopkins beat who RJ failed to beat was Johnson. Lets not forget that Roy DOES have a win over Tarver. The bottom line is Hopkins best win is against Tito. Roy's win over Toney was more impressive than Hops win over Tito, and of COURSE we can never forget that when Roy and Hop fought, Roy WON! All speculation over who woulda won a rematch is purely just that, and Roy cant be blamed for the rematch not happening cause greedy ass Hopkins wanted 50-50 against a Roy, when Roy has always been a much bigger name, and draw, and who owns a win over Hopkins.

 

Roy did beat Tarver once, but he only just barely edged him through the skin of his teeth, and that was cancelled out altogether when he lost BOTH of the return matches decisively. Hopkins simply TOYED with Tarver like he didn't even belong within 50 yards of the same ring with him, and that's despite being older than dirt and coming stright up two weight classes without a tune-up.

 

And all that simply proves that Hop aged better than Roy. Still doesnt erase the fact that Roy has better overall wins than B-Hop, and owns a win over him.

 

Not really, it could "prove" any number of things, depending on how you decide to look at it.

It could just as easily "prove" that Hopkins really was a better fighter than Roy all along, which suggests that Roy's win over Hopkins came before Hops had reached his prime... or, at best, that Roy simply had Hopkins' number.

Furthermore, the fact that Roy maybe didn't age as well as Hopkins, or even well at all (indeed, he arguably aged worse than anyone else on that list except maybe Hamed and Tito), is also a reflection on him in his prime, because it means that something very vital was never there all along, even if people didn't happen to know it at the time.

Bottom line is, contrary to what you said, there ARE very valid reasons for ranking Hopkins ahead of Roy, even if you yourself don't happen to share that viewpoint.