MARQUEZ vs. VASQUEZ III...

So What Happens N the Condom Match btwn these 2???:dunno: ...The 1st 2 Bouts were Sooooo DRASTICALLY Different that ANYTHING Could Transpire N the 3rd Bout...

Marquez was Pretty DOMINANT N the 1st Fight, Vasquez was Equally as Dominant N the RE & Appeared to B MUCH Stronger than he was from the 1st Bout...

WHO Wins the Last Bout & HOW does it Play Out???


REED

 

i'm going w/ vasquez via stoppage. i could be wrong, but i think the first two fights might have taken rafael's legs out.

 

vASQUEZ BY ud.

 

i wouldn't say Marquez was dominant in the first fight. he landed some really good shots, and had Vazquez timed pretty well in spots, but he was absorbing his share of punishment too.

and if you compare Vazquez's victory to Marquez's, Vazquez's was 5 times more convincing. seems like you have to favor Vazquez to win the third one, barring some major adjustment on the part of Marquez.

what i find interesting is that i can't quite put my finger on what Vazquez did differently in the second fight to have had so much more success. i seem to recall his getting closer to Marquez in the second fight, smothering Marquez's punches somewhat, but it was definitely subtle.

i also think he threw the left uppercut less, mixing in the regular hook more than he did in the first, and i think this took away a lot of the countering opportunities that Marquez had had in their first fight. but again, it was subtle.

it's hard to believe that Vazquez turned it around as much as he did, without making any glaring adjustments.

did anyone notice any fundamental or major adjustments on the part of Vazquez? that could explain the great success he had in the second fight, compared to the first?

 

Vazquez by KO in 8. I think Marquez is done.

I can't seem to find me a link to view their second fight. Can anyone help?

 

take the train from Costco to find the time machine.

 

The battle of the 'roided midgets

I think Vazquez wins via Winstrol, HGH and Stanozol :blobbox:

 

I think Berstain and Marquez come with a revamped gameplan and win by UD...I have no doubt that Marquez is the better boxer. He needs to obviously establish distance with the jab and really place his shots without staying inside too long. I beleive if he boxes and ties Vasquez up inside he can win. Marquez really needs to keep his right hand up this time also and stay off the ropes. Rafael Marquez UD.

 

I too think that it is obvious that at their respective bests....Rafael wins this fight.

I think he was overconfident the last time, and Vazquez felt he had something to prove.

This time, I predict that the better fighter wins. And that imo is Rafael Marquez.

 

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The better fighter will win and that is Israel Vasquez.

 

Noway this goes the distance. Give me Vazquez TKO6

 

I agree there is no way this will go 12. people are acting like Marquez is some kind of great pure boxer. While he doe have great offensive boxing skills he is way to easy to hit. When Israel is agressive Rafael has no choice but to fight. Israel isn't just some dumb plodder who has no skill. He works his way in well.

 

You have to favor Vazquez, but i think if Raf can avoid a fire fight he can win. He stays in the pocket too long.

If Marquez fires his shots and makes some movement to avoid the return fire i think he can win it.

 

Good points, although Marquez definitely didn't use his jab enough the last fight. He needs to not let Vasquez force the fight like he did so well last time. I think he can calm the pace down by using his superior outside game then pick his shots like Jony Gonzalez was early in their fight.

 

I think Marquez would actually be served by trying to hurt Vasquez as much as possible as early as possible. In a war of attrition, Marquez simply comes up short against Vasquez. Marquez is just a bit smaller naturally I think and has more of a boxer's frame. As the fight wears on, barring a cuts stoppage, Marquez will slowly get worn down and will lose over time.

However, I think when the 2 are fresh, Marquez is a bit faster, hits harder in a one-punch sense, and has the ability to move enough to muster some defense.

If Marquez does not put the hurt on Vasquez in the first 3 rounds of the fight, I think his odds of coming out with a W go way, way down. You have to assume the fight will end by stoppage one way or another before round 8, so then fight like that. Fight like you are going to be in a 6 or 7 round war and put it all out there right away. Do not wait and then realize in round 4 your jaw hurts, you have double vision and you're dizzy, by then it's too late.

Marquez KO 5 Vasquez.

 

better fighter?::

they each managed to stop the other once that's why this is a rubber match. Stop acting like VAzquez is superior.

I think it's a toss up fight and even if the winner is declared the winner of the trilogy they are still pretty evenly matched.

 

Why laugh? yes Vasquez is the better fighter. Marquez a bit more skilled but Vasquez being the better fighter makes up for it. After he beats Marquez in this fight it will be proven for good.

 

they are 1-1 both stopping each other. The results are what count right?

until the third fight happens you can't say one is above the other. you act like VAzquez is 2-0 so far :dunno:

 

Do you know how to read? I said Vasquez is a better fighter, Marquez is a little more skilled. I can pretty much say whatever I want to. I think Vasquez wins the 3rd fight because he is the better fighter, not more skilled. Marquez is going to get knocked the fuck out.

 

so all of a sudden skills matter in your arguments?:laughing:

your still so full of shit. I remember your arguments were always about "fuck the talent" it's all bout meaningfull wins.

These guys are 1-1 so who cares who is supposed to be the better fighter? :dunno:

Point is that it hasn't determined who won each fight. Like I said they are pretty even on power and skill.

regardless of how you wanna spin it you act like Vazquez is superior without proving it. It's fucking stupid.

I guess the Marquez names still stings you. ::

 

I agree Vazquez is the better fighter. He's a lethal puncher and has a classic crouch Mexican style. Marquez' slight advantage in skill and jab is not enough to make him a better overall fighter.

I foolishly picked Marquez in the rematch, mainly because of the way Israel bowed out of the first fight.

Now it's clear he really did have a problem with his nose, and it wasn't just a quitjob.

 

Ah please. Vasquez was bledding out of every hole in the rematch, and Rafa even added a few extra holes from whom Vasquez could bleed. I´m sure if LOK got into his trunks he´d have drawn blood as well. Vasquez was on the brink of getting stopped on cuts, if it goes two more rounds.

The rubbermatch comes down to Rafa´s attitude. If he goes toe to toe with the naturally bigger and more compact fighter again, he´ll likely lose, although you can never completely count out his power. If he is smart, he´ll bust Vasquez up and force a cut stoppage. I hope Nacho keeps his machismo in check.

I won´t complain anyway since I like both guys and I hope they make a good amount of money.

 

:bears:

 

Vazquez's win in second fight > Marquez's win in first fight

In the first fight, people forget, Vazquez knocked Marquez down and hurt him badly. And people were surprised when Vazquez quit. Why were they surprised? They were surprised because the fight was being fought on fairly even terms, and it was hardly the case that Vazquez was out of the fight, or looked like a beaten man.

The myth that seems to be out there is that Marquez won the first fight in dominant fashion, whereas Vazquez won the second. Not true. Not in the least. People need to stop imagining and oversimplifying shit.

 

marquez fucked the guy's nose up and made it so that the dude could not breathe therefore was unable to continue. that sounds pretty damn decisive if you ask me.

 

oh please. it was a freak thing.

 

Yes. Indeed. Rafael Marquez is not known for busting people up. When he was done with Mabuza the South African looked like he had Ebola for christ´s sake. Just look at the Vasquez´ face after the rematch. :doh:

 

i'm not saying Marquez didn't win the fight. or that he didn't deserve credit for the win. i'm simply arguing that Vazquez's win was much more impressive than Marquez's. do you dispute that?

 

Vasquez was COMPETITVE N the 1st Fight, but @ NO Point did REED Get the Feeling he was Gonna BEAT Marquez...

BOTH Bouts were 1-Sided "Action" Fights N REED's Opinion, w/the RE Being even MORE 1-Sided...


REED

 

you didn't get the "Feeling" Vazquez might win when he layed Marquez out with a left hook? :laughing: