MARQUEZ vs. VASQUEZ III...

I agree, JMM is the better fighter, even though they are 0-0-1. I don't think you'll argue about that. ::

 

Yes I do, however it should be 1-0 JMM

Think Manny will be wearing the proper socks this time? ::

 

Can't wait to hear all the "Marquez is shot!!" excuses after Pacquiao plants him early, again....only this time finishes the job.

 

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and some people actually acted as if that was a legit excuse.

 

really how?

my bad, I forgot he can box like Ali now. ::

He also got a right hand and JMM is used to fighting one handed fighters. :doh:

 

the guy had silly excuses and somehow they were legit just because :laughing:

 

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Better fighter based on what exactly? He's not the better fighter based off results. He's not better off of head to head, he's not rated higher PFP, so how exactly is JMM "better"? If he wins the rematch you have a case, otherwise there isn't 1. Oh and quit the crying about the first decision if anything JMM should be 0-1.

 

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I get the feeling if JMM loses next month Latin King will hang himself...............seriously:eeeek:

 

I agree with Double L that Vasquez has looked to be the better fighter of the two over the first two fights. I think we can fairly easily say that Vasquez's win was far more impressive.

Although I am a fan of Raffy and will be pulling for him, I can't possibly give him the edge here. I think Vasquez will have a HUGE confidence advantage heading into the fight. And that might play in to the outcome because this one will likely be fought at a very heated pace.

Vasquez has put Marquez on the floor in each fight, and there is NO reason to think Marquez can make many adjustments to stop it from happening again. Raffy's best chance is to fight fire with fire and try to hurt Vasquez before he gets clipped himself.

It makes for a perfect matchup, which is why these fights will always be gerat. But Marquez can only win by bombing Vasquez out. Vasquez has more options, and has had the better of the action over the first two fight... which is why he'll win again. I like him by stoppage right about the 8th round.

 

JMM is just the better fighter you can tell if your not blind.

hell not to long ago Freddy Roach was celebrating the fact that Manny can throw a right hand. ::

I just hope there is no excuses this time from your boy. :doh:

 

well he won't lose for one.

somehow I get the feeling that there will be plenty of excuses from Manny and his fans regardless of his performance.

The moment that fucker leaves to Manila in the middle of training camp all hell breaks loose and there you go. :doh:

 

I have always liked both these guys, and Rafael is infinitely more likeable than Juan Manual.

But his power is overrated. Even in the first fight, Vazquez' left hook seemed harder than anything Marquez through, primarily his right hand.

Vazquez has the heavier hands, as well as an edge in chin.

 

Talent is part of being a fighter. Pacquiao is more established,more talented and better than JMM. He's better than Pacquiao based off you biasedness? Oh yeah I get it now.:laughing:

 

He hasn't been in Manila in awhile ,he's had a great camp so far.I don't expect any excuses if he loses both fighters will be at there best

 

pacquiao hasn't fought a real champion in his division since the last time he fought JMM, enough said. :dunno:

 

that's good! I guess Roach finally locked his ass down.

However before their first fight there were no distractions and he still had a shitload of excuses. opcorn:

 

What is Marquez's best win again? Oh yeah MAB who Pacquiao beat worse. Pacquiao's resume is better than JMM's so why bother going that route? :laughing:

 

well he should have gotten a decision over pacquiao. head to head he made him look like an amateur.

hard for you to grasp since your biased as hell. Since then Pacquiao's best wins were guys coming of losses. Again, pacquiao hasn't fought a champion since he fought JMM.

to me that's what counts the most. Pacquiao can fight MOrales again this year and it will mean as much as the last time. :dunno:

pacquiao is severely overrated because of how exciting he fights. Not to long ago there was an argument of who was pfp better him or Floyd. Seriously if that's not overrated I don't know what is. :eeeek: :laughing:

 

pacquiao would beat john's azz.

 

Titles mean jack shit. The fact is in pacquiao's career he has beaten a higher level of competition than JMM has. Oh and no, if round 1 is scored correctly JMM walks away with a loss. he schooled pacquiao blah,blah,blah whatever. In the end Pac got screwed by a judge. You can continue on here but it just shows how biased you are. Pacquiao has beaten better fighters than JMM. 1 biased as hell opinion don't change that.

 

your sig shows how much in denial you are ::

sure Pacquiao has a better carreer. doesn't change how overrated he is. Not to mention how one dimensional JMM made him look. He is fighting JMM so that's why I bring that up.

Tittles don't mean shit? yet Manny spent the last few years paying sanctioning fees for some toy belt from the wbc? :laughing:

fact is he tried pulling that shit to not fight JMM because of the belt. But he has to if he wants to be the best at 130 just like the first time he wanted to be the best at 126.

fighting JMM is not for some vacant belt is because both are considered 1 and 2 at 130, if you can't see that shit than you are just ridiculous.

 

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Pacquiao was already regarded as #1 at 126 when he beat JMM the first time they met (oops I mean draw). The truth is if he didn't want to fight JMM, he don't have to. Unlike JMM, Pacquiao is an attraction and has plenty of options. Oh I forgot JMM has options to. Maybe he can head back over to Indonesia for 30k again. :laughing: Don't try to pretend like Pacquiao was EVER ducking Marquez because it was JMM who overvalued himself in the first place. he finally got around to be realistic and now the fight is made.

Good to see you realize who has had the better career though. At least you can get that much right. :bears:

 

get the fuck out of here with that! everyone knows arum and pacquiao wanted no part of JMM this time around. I won't call manny a coward because that would be silly.

but damn near every boxing fan, and boxing writer called for this rematch and Arum had to make it.

who cares about being an attraction? as a fan I wanna see the best fight that can be made. Unless you get a cut from Manny's purse it's stupid to brag on his behalf regarding his draw.

ARum tried not to make a fight with JMM that is no secret. Everyone ripped pacquiao and Arum for even considering David Diaz rather than JMM.

Hell, this fight should have happened when JMM beat MAB, again Pacquiao fighting another guy coming of a loss.

you seem to think fighting a respected champion and a guy coming of a loss is the same thing. there is a big difference dude :dunno:

 

JMM has always been an avoided fighter. it's a miracle MAB finally faced him - we have G to thank for that. hamed shamelessly ducked him. it's a testament to pacquiao's confidence that he faced him.

JMM has made a conscious effort to be more exciting (and has taken more punishment as a result). he deserves credit for that.

 

agreed!:bears:

especially about him fighting more agressive lately. People say he has slipped but I think he just opens up more. He still has the skills to counterpunch anybody but he engages more now.

 

It's part of boxing bussiness. Who the hell would have complained if Pacquiao moved up to 135 and then fought David Diaz followed by Juan Diaz? Nobody. Manny has options and didn't have to do shit. Oh and this fight should have happened after Manny beat JMM the first time (oops I mean draw). Instead someone tried to get greedy and instead ended up getting raped for 30k in indonesia. :laughing:

BTW-Pacquiao never had any issues fighting JMM. He had already fought him once and the offer was there for it to happen again, wasn't his fault JMM priced himself out. Then JMM goes over to Indonesia and losses:cheer:

 

jmm's mistake was listening to berinstein.

 

No doubt, that shit was bone headed. indonesia is 1 of the last places I am taking my fighter to fight.

 

alot of people had and have issues with Manny moving up to 135 for two reasons.

One - he hasn't fought the best at 130 which are JMM and Guzman. O yah I forgot they are not exciting and can't draw so they dont' get to fight him -ARum

Two - moving up to 135 would be for DAvid Diaz and that's it. Arum won't put him in there with Juan Diaz and has given plenty of excuses from schedules, to contracts and dealing with KIng, to waiting for Juan to become a bigger star :laughing:

All this after Juan called him out after a fight on HBO. I don't knock Manny for not figting him cause it's not his division. But let's not pretend it was gonna happen.

Somehow ARum thinks David Diaz is the man at 135 just like his other boy Margarito is the man at 147 ::

Manny beat Morales and BArrera at 130 but neither were the best at 130 at the time. It's tha simple. JMM and Guzman are. I"m glad the JMM is made. But Arum already told Guzman he won't land the Pacquiao fight.