It's interesting that this thread has gotten so little play, while the others involving him have been pounded. It's entirely possible (at least to me) that this was a real problem for Paul. Especially because Williams doesn't fight like a traditional southpaw. As I've always said; it's called "orthodox" for a reason.
I see how Mitchell landed some plum right hands on Williams, but I don't remember him having any real trouble with him, my impression was that he just walked through mitchell carelessly, he knew sharma's legs were gone and that it was a power mismatch...the Quintana fight was something different
williams narrowly beat one decent welter, who came right at him. quintana being a southpaw might have been a problem. or maybe it was his speed and defense.
Yeah, but this thread isn't as interesting as 'Floyd BRUTALIZED Williams last night or some other such banality'. :doh: One loss doesn't necessarily mean a guy is shit. His next fight will be interesting, and now becomes very important in determining where he goes from here in his career...
Nah......he loses to Floyd, even if Floyd isn't a Southpaw. Williams has trouble even if they haven't fought. In fact, Williams will have trouble even if they do fight. Floyd is a troublesome sort. In fact, if Williams was a cashier in Barneys of NY, I am sure Floyd would still give him trouble.
This is spot on. I remember watching him fight Sharmba Mitchell at Eaner's house thinking, wow this guy will get crucified by Margarito with the hail mary shots mitchell landed. And then, about the second round, what we said was "wow maybe Williams just can't pick up a southpaw left." Williams would still give Mayweather style problems, even though the fight will never happen. And I think Paul could beat/give good fights to most non-southpaws
Please, PLEASE leave such sense and logic out of this forum. It doesn't help the "He has one loss, so Mayweather will school him" argument.
.... Does it really matter if Floyd would school him at this point? Williams wasn't a proven commodity before and now he's coming off a loss to a decent fighter but Quintana is nothing special. People can throw out "Floyd is ducking Williams", because Williams was not able to earn a fight. Hell he couldn;t even beat Carlos Quintana. After ODLH, Floyd should fight Cotto and that's about it.
Devil's advocate here: We all know that's not the reason :laughing: the bigger issue is, which is making it hard for Williams to avoid being hit: A - the southpaw stance or B - the movement of his opponent? The obvious answer is a combination of both; but Mayweather definitely can do the latter, and I'd be hard pressed to pick against PBF even as a huge Williams fan.
after DLH Floyd would probably rematch Hatton even though is meaningless like the DLH rematch but it makes money and that's his priority:dunno: I think Zab was the last 147 fighter that Floyd fought. :doh:
He wasn't a welterweight, he just ran away from the 140lb division, and was granted pretty much a direct shot at Spinks, he didn't have to 'earn it' the way you usually have to with Mayweather these days if you're any sort of threat, suffice to say, we're still waiting.
We all know that the Mayweather haters would just say thatFloyds fighting a guy Quintana beat anyway if they fight now.
:bears: :bears: That's the REAL Issue Here... Peeps Put the Onus on Floyd to Fight EVERYBODY & He Ends Up Being Accused of "Ducking" Half the Division , When The TRUTH is, Guys like Margarito, Quintana & Williams CAN'T even Differentiate themselves From Other Middle of the Pack Welters... Given that Floyd is THE MAN @ Welter, he Should Only B Concerning Himself w/ELITE Welters...&/or Guys on Lb 4 Lb Lists... The Margarito's, Williams' & Quintana's Need to ASSERT THEMSELVES, PROVE their Worth as ELITE Welters, THEN Demand a Shot @ Floyd... Floyd Haters have Taken REED's Comment ("Floyd would SCHOOL Williams")& RAN w/it ...Totally DISMISSING the Styles Involved...Bullshit... The TRUE Issue is Williams LACK of Defense...Quintana & Sharmba Being Southpaws R TRIVIAL Issues, as the Margarito Fight SHOWED Us...Margarito is ORTHO & SLOW as Molasses, yet he Hit Williams Virtually @ WILL... Quintana BEAT Williams MORE Because of his HANDSPEED, COUNTERPUNCHING & RING GENERALSHIP than Because of his Southpaw Stance... 4 the 3,000th Time, Floyd Mayweather is SUPERIOR to Quintana N ALL of those Regards...He Might Not HURT Williams even 1nce, but Floyd would COMPLETELY OUTCLASS Williams... REED
REED just Wonders when Floyd is Finally Gonna TEST Himself & Face David Estrada... Estrada's Fought Cintron, Shane AND Berto...What MORE does he have to Do to PROVE himself???... REED:dunno:
Fraud would never fight a guy as tough, and mean as Estrada! He'd be running around all night, elbowing and turning his back while getting battered. But forget Estrada, cause Fraud dont want it with Estrada's daddy, Berto! Berto getting dropped and nearly KO'd by Cosme Riveria scared the shit outta Fraud because he saw what heart, and determination Berto posseses. He rather face soft touches like DLH, and Cotto, instead of fighting the REAL threats! Fuck you Money Gay!:flip:
When has Floyd fought any ELITE Welters, REED? :dunno: I agree that he should be fighting these tops guys, but the SINGLE reason I won't give him 100% props is precisely because he ISN'T fighting them. This is nothing to do with hate, because I have nothing but respect for Mayweathers skills, but, and this is a big but, he hasn't fought an elite Welter, well, ever IMO. And if what you say is correct (and I tend to agree largely with it) and the only other ELITE Welter is Cotto, he should be breaking his ass to make that fight happen. Failing this, there are a whole group (as you call them, probably accurately) of 'B-Class' fighters, some fellow belt holders, all of whom WOULD, whether you accept this or not, add credence to Floyd's resume. If he can't fight Cotto yet, for whatever reason, he SHOULD be looking to fight THESE guys. Instead, he's looking to rematch a part time boxer/full time promoter and maybe even rematch Hatton. :doh: Fights which have no relevance or importance and add nothing to PBF, except more millions in the bank. I notice you added P4P fighters to your 'acceptable oppos'. Let's not pretend that this isn't added to justify Floyd having fought Hatton last time out. Hatton took that fight for money- there is no money whatsoever for him at 140. The only big fight for him there is Witter, and that won't make him a penny in the US where Witter is STILL the guy who ran from Zab... However, Floyd doesn't have that excuse. Floyd is champion and number one guy in probably the most loaded division of the lot right now, and yet he is looking for money fights against non-147 lb-ers... :dunno: That's why I rag on Floyd, and will continue to do so until he steps up to the mark and starts fighting at least some of these guys. MTF
Mr. FEEBLES... Since the Night Floyd ANNIHILATED Hatton, U've Repeatedly tried to Insinuate that Hatton was Somehow "Disadvantaged" Against Floyd & NO DOUBT, U'll Use their WEIGHTS N your Argument... The TRUTH of the Matter Is, Floyd is NO MORE of a "True" Welterweight than Ricky Hatton is...Hatton spends the BULK of his time CARRYIING MORE Bulk than Floyd Does...This CANNOT B Ignored when ASSuming Floyd is "Naturally Bigger" than Hatton... Floyd ISN'T:nono: ... Now Let's Backtrack a Bit...Floyd's 1st High Profile PPV Fight EVER was Against Arturo Gatti for Some Version of the Jr. Welter Title...Sometime B 4 or After that, Ricky Hatton Beat Kostya for the LINEAR Jr. Welter Title... The MINUTE Floyd Moved Up to Welterweight, his NAYSAYERS Started Saying he "Ducked" Hatton & that his Career would B Diminished Cause he Didn't Fight the "Real" Jr. Welterweight Champ... When Floyd Fought his Next High Profile PPV Bout (Against Zab Judah), the Naysayers THEN Said Floyd was "Ducking" the "Real" Welterweight Champ, Carlos Baldomir...When Floyd Started Talking about Facing DeLa after the Zab Bout, the Critics Spoke LOUDER about how "Real" a Champ Baldomir was & How Floyd's Career would B Diminished Cause he Never Faced a "Real" Welterweight Champion... So Floyd Fought Baldomir, WAXED him, then Got BITCHED @ for how "Boring" the Fight was...NOBODY Wanted to Talk about How Floyd had Faced a Guy MANY Said he SHOULD Face, Instead, Everybody Wanted to Focus on Fans Leaving the Bout B 4 it was Over... NOBODY had a Problem w/the DeLa Bout, Cause it was @ a Weight Floyd had NO BUSINESS Being @, Against GENUINELY a "Naturally Bigger Man"... Long Story Short, Hatton STRENGTHENED his Grasp on the Jr. Welter Division AND FIRMLY Established Himself as 1 of the 10 Best Fighters N the World Lb 4 Lb...So when Floyd was Looking for his Post-DeLa Opponent, Quite NATURALLY, there was More REWARD (Financially,Historically & on his Resume)N Facing Hatton than a Margarito, Paul Williams or Quintana...Wouldn't U Agree???... No, Hatton Wasn't Ranked @ 147 & Therefore WASN'T an "Elite Welter", but he was UNDENIABLY an ELITE Fighter Lb 4 Lb...& he Campaigned 7 Lbs South of where Floyd has a Title, a Division that ISN'T Natural for Floyd Either... REED Shouldn't HAVE to Justify Floyd Facing Hatton...& Hatton Lovers Should Really CEASE N Diminishing Floyd's Win...Eventually, Floyd DID Face the "Real" Jr Welter Champ AND the "Real" Welter Champ...But Instead of ACKNOWLEDGING this, Floyd's Naysayers Move On to Something Else to BITCH about... Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito,Moe, Larry AND Curly ... Along w/U, REED Doesn't Want to See a Floyd-Dela RE or a Floyd-Hatton RE...His Next Choice of Opponent is Gonna B Crucial...But if N The END he's Facing Miguel Cotto, What's there to Bitch about???... REED:dunno:
My post had nothing to do with Hatton. I have done that to death with you and refuse to retread old ground. You seem to have me confused for a hater. I am no Floyd hater :nono: In fact, I'd pick him to beat anyone presently campaigning at 140 or 147. I'd pick him to beat anyone bar Cotto with room to spare. You said that Floyd is 'the man' at 147. Sure he is. He beat Baldomir with ease to earn the right to call himself such. But then what? Sure, I can understand the financial and historical 'benefits' of Hatton - Mayweather and De la Hoya - Mayweather, but these fights do not have a relevance of any kind at 147, where Mayweather campaigns and is, as you say, 'the man'. IMO- THE MAN at 147 should be fighting the top guys at 147. Since he beat Baldomir, he has spent more time scouting around looking for big, BIG paydays. Do you think for a second that Floyd would have even considered fighting Hatton if Hatton has a 'Witter-esque' fanbase, for example? Of course he wouldn't... If Mayweather isn't a 'true' Welter (as you say), he should vacate his title and continue shopping and swapping divisions for big-money fights. If not, he should stay the fuck in his division, stop talking rubbish about rematching the part time old guy and the over-matched little guy and GET STUCK INTO one of about half a dozen high quality Welterweights who would all give Floyd a very good payday and a big boost up the historical ladder. And to answer your last point- if his next fight is Cotto, then he will leave the naysayers with ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE left to go. But it won't be. You know it and I know it bud... MTF
That isn't true. Williams, Margarito, etc. haven't differentiated themselves from each other, but they HAVE differentiated themselves from fighters a level below them like Collazo, who HATTON couldn't differentiate himself from. And yet, somehow, it was HATTON who ended up being Floyd's last opponent and not one of the 5-6 (or more) welterweights who were clearly a cut above. NO ONE is putting "the onus" on Floyd to fight "everyone", that's just your BS spin on things to try to detract from what really is happening. All people just want to see is Floyd defend his lineal status against SOMEONE among the MANY other top welterweights, just like EVERY other top fighter/champion at this or any other weight is expected to do. Cotto, Mosley, Williams, Margarito, and now Quintana are ALL elite fighters at welter. Since when does a fighter need to emerge as the one, dominant top contender in his division in order to be considered "elite"? The fact that most of these fighters can't differentiate from each other just shows how deep the division is, and just makes Floyd look all the more worse for failing to find just ONE among them to fight. And PS, even if what you say about Floyd being able to "school" Williams (which is still questionable IMHO) is true, that still doesn't excuse Floyd for not fighting him. Floyd still should've gotten in the ring and actually DONE that, either to Williams or at least a welter of comparable status (ie: Cotto, Margarito).
I love how MTF and some other Hatton lovers like to bring up that Floyd is too big for Hatton:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: As REED said Floyd is really the smaller guy!!! Hatton was supposed to be "too strong":laughing: :laughing:
