Boxing Fans to STOP & SMELL the Roses Sometimes...

Add HOMOerotic References @ Your Leisure, but YOU'RE the Only 1 having a "Gay Ol' Time" Here, Mr. Flintstone...


REED::

 

Floyd is the Linear Welterweight Champion of the World. Hatton has had two fights at 147- winning very, very narrowly against a B-level guy (Collazo) and being bounced off the turnbuckle in his second.

How then can Hatton be more of a Welter than Floyd? :dunno:

(let me guess- because he is fat in between fights?)

 

Since WHEN Do we Bitch about WHY a Guy Made a MEANINGFUL Fight???:dunno: ...If the Fight is Meaningful, it's MEANINGFUL....

Is it MORE Important WHY Hatton Fought Tszyu or that he FOUGHT him???...Is it MORE Important WHY Ali Fought Foreman or that he FOUGHT him???...

The Day we WHINE about WHY Meaningful Fights R Made is the Day we REFUSE to B Satisfied as Fight Fans...U Could Go Down the Line & Criticize EVERY Fighter N History, if U're Gonna Harp on WHY they Took Certain Fights...

So U HONESTLY Concentrate MORE of your Focus on WHY Floyd Fought Hatton as Opposed to APPLAUDING him 4 Facing an UNDEFEATED, LINEAR Champion who was Highly Ranked Lb 4 Lb???

Sure, the Primary Objective N Facing DeLa was the MONEY, but that DOESN'T Change THE FACT that DeLa was a Naturally LARGER Man(w/Good Handspeed & Power), the BIGGEST Star N ALL of Boxing & a Beltholder @ 154...w/Out Question, that was THE MOST IMPORTANT Fight of Floyd Mayweather's Career...& let's NOT Pretend he Posed NO Threat to Floyd, Cause he Most Certainly DID...

7 Lbs SHOULDN'T Make THAT Much of a Difference N the Performance of ANY Fighter...Especially a Fighter who GAINS as Much Weight btwn Fights as Hatton Does...Not to Mention when he's Facing a Guy who ISN'T a Natural Welter Himself...

So if U're Sooooooo Convinced that Hatton "just Isn't a Great Welterweight", then Maybe U Need to REassess your Thoughts of him as a Jr. Welter as Well...Unless of Course, U GENUINELY Believe 7 Lbs Means THAT Much...


REED

 

7 pounds mean a lot IMO. That's why Floyd's jump to 154 to fight DLH was significant even though DLH is clearly past his prime. Floyd is better suited to climb up in weight than Hatton's simply because he 's taller, has longer arms and has a style that doesn't rely on strength as much as Hatton's. So 7 pounds will make a world of difference for a guy that heavily relies on manhandling his opponents to win.

 

Let's B CLEAR...

REED is only Minimizing the 7 Lbs as it Pertains to Floyd vs. Hatton...Mr. FEEBLES is Under the Belief that Hatton Would Fare BETTER vs. Floyd @ 140 than @ 147...REED just CAN'T See it...

True, Floyd IS Better Suited to Fight @ Higher Weights, but like U Said, he ISN'T a "Strength" Fighter...So Hatton's INability to Manhandle Floyd would B THE SAME @ 140 or 147...

The Bottom Line is, Weight was of NO CONSEQUENCE when Floyd Beat Hatton:nono: ...& Since Floyd ISN'T a Natural Welter Himself, it Boggles REED's Mind how Floyd Somehow "Proves" that Hatton just CAN'T Cut it @ 147...

Hatton just CAN'T Cut it Against Floyd...No Matter WHAT Weight they Meet @...


REED

 

I agree with your stance then, I think Floyd would handle Hatton the same way at 140 that he handled him at 147. I think he left no doubts on his ability to handle Hatton.

 

A fighter can make whichever match-up he so wishes, but when there is a legitimate, P4P top ten guy IN YOUR OWN WEIGHT CLASS, you should be fighting him- not semi-retired promoters and champions at a lighter weight for cash.

Of course it is worth analysing why a fighter is making fights when he has LEGITIMATE contenders to fight first! If the division he normally fights in is bare, then fine, go look elsewhere. But, again, Welterweight is LOADED. Mayweather should be clearing house here, surely?

I'll tell you this. If Calzaghe had nipped off to 175 to fight Hopkins BEFORE first dealing with Lacy and Kessler, people would have levelled the same criticisms at him as I have done here to Floyd. Instead, he cleaned the division out and THEN stepped up a weight for the payday. Do you disagree when I say that this is better than skipping weights and not fighting legitimate contenders in your own weight class?

Perhaps I'd be less pissed if it wasn't clear to all and sundry that Mayweather has no intention of fighting Cotto. Not next fight. Not the fight after. Not ever. Instead, he'll fight DLH again and there is talk from both sides of a rematch with Hatton. What would be meaningful about these fights? Would you be happy to see these match-ups made?

When Floyd fights Cotto, he will have nothing left to prove IMO. Until he does so, he has PLENTY left. The comparison, I suppose, is Hatton-Witter. If Hatton makes that match and wins, then as you said yourself, he has nothing left to prove at 140. If he doesn't fight, then it will severely damage his legacy. Ditto Mayweather-Cotto.

And no, before you say anything, I couldn't care less about him fighting any of the other 147 'usual suspects' (though a win against any would be a 'good' win for Floyd). Once he fights Cotto, he can have full props from me. No argument.

MTF

(I've dealt with your obstinate 'Hatton at 147' comments, again, in the other thread)

 

I do think Hatton would fare better at 140, because I think at that weight he has far, far better punch resistance than he does at 147 (the evidence supports this- in two fights at 147, Hatton has been KTFO and almost KTFO by Collazo), his stamina would not be so markedly depleted and he would have more success inside than he did at 147 where his strength advantage is naturally negated by fighting bigger, stronger guys than he does at 147.

However, be under no illusions. I have NEVER said that Hatton would beat PBF at 140. He would still lose, just not as one-sidedly. I would expect Floyd to win a wide UD at 140, or even by stoppage after Hatton had won more than the two rounds I gave him last time out.

 

It ISNT just Floyd... :doh:

Hatton has fought TWICE at 147 and lost once by KTFO and won the second despite being absolutely out on his feet in the other. If there had been a round 12 1/2 against Collazo, then Hatton would have been KTFO.

COMBINED, these fights seem to clearly show that Hatton drops a level when he moves up a weight.

Would you pick Hatton against any of Mosely/Williams/Quintana/Margarito/Cotto/Cintron at 147? I wouldn't...

 

I don't think Hatton was KO'ed because he was tired (which is the only thing that could explain his lower punch resistance at 147) but because he was hit by a perfectly set up punch he didn't see. He was also outfought at close quarters and that, almost from the beginning of the fight. I think it's exactly the same fight at 140, maybe even worse because Floyd was younger and faster at that weight. And even if he made the 140 limit today,which I think he's capable of, I think he'd beat him the same way he beat him at 147.

 

No it isn't.

Guys at a higher weight ordinarily punch harder. And, as I have said A MILLION TIMES, Hatton is a BIG light-welter- he BALLOONS between weigh-in and fight time, which at 140 gives him a significant strength advantage over the smaller opponents he fights at 140. How do you think he is able to bully them inside like he does?

When you are 10-15 lbs heavier than you opponent, as Hatton typically is when he fights at 140, your lighter opponent will not hit you as hard as a typical 147lb fighter. This equates to Hatton having much better punch-resistance at 140 than at 147.

 

Hatton vs PBF is one of the best P4P matchups of all time and people are shitting on it because Floyd won:doh: :nono:

 

Yeah, but how is that relevant against Mayweather? Do you think he punches that much harder at 147?

 

Floyd was criticized for not fighting Hatton AT 140, where Hatton was the lineal champ. And he never "rectified" that, because he didn't fight him AT 140... he fought him at 147, a weight class that Hatton wasn't comfortable in and doesn't want to be in. The fact that you keep bringing up fights of Hatton that happened AT 140 (like Tszyu and Castillo) just proves how much better he was down there, and makes Floyd look worse for skipping out of that division without fighting him there. It's no different than DeLaHoya not fighting MA Gonzales at 135 and then later agreeing to fight him at 140, despite your best efforts to make it sound like it is.

There's NEVER been any backtracking involved with Hatton, as much as you try to make it sound like there was. EVERYONE agreed he looked like shit at 147 against Collazo (a fighter NO ONE really thought much of, and has since been put in his place by Mosley), and even Hatton himself basically acknowledged that by RETREATING back down to 140 afterwards. The only one here who is ignoring anything is YOU, who keeps ignoring that point.

So Hoya-Mayweather wouldn't have done as much business as it did if Hoya hadn't beaten Mayorga? How do you plan on "proving" that? Look at how much business Hoya-Hopkins did, despite the fact that Hoya had just gotten a GIFT in his last fight against Felix Sturm, which is the fight that "earned" him the title shot. How much did that affect the business for Hoya-Hopkins?

 

before the Floyd fight hatton's people came out and said that they didn;t really want hatton at 147 . HOWEVER, FFloyd was really no bigger than hatton so they didn't mind the fight at 147. That's pretty much the end of the discussion about weight classes. Hatton lost because Floyd was better than him, no other reason at all.

 

THANK YOU!!!

I don't know why the hatton Dick riders act like Floyd is some monster..

to me Floyd is really too small to fight Welter.. I think Floy could make 140 easier than hatton

 

you do realize that hatton refused to fight mayweather at 140lbs?

 

I don't think Cuban is one ofthe Hatton dick suckers..

 

Yeah, Ricky just said fuck it, I'll fight him at 147, cos I'm that fucking good.

 

you can continue to live in candyland or pastyville, where the gringo cause is championed shameleslly, and keep believing that hatton was begging and pleading to fight mayweather when they were both campaigning at 140lbs... or you can join reality. that is the place where it is widely known that hatton wanted no parts of a defeat against mayweather.

after 2.4 million homes were sold, the price became right for Hatton to take his medicine.

 

:bears: :laughing: :: ::

 

Its not so much we champion the Gringo, its more we just crack the occassional negroid skull you see.

 

opcorn:

 

You do know that Hatton turned down the fight a bunch of times at 140lbs right. You can't blame Floyd for Hatton not wanting to fight him.

 

Wasn't you on here saying how scared Mayweather was at the pre fight weigh in ::

 

he was..::

 

http://fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22172

 

What was the Floyd offer(s) at 140 that Hatton turned down? Details.

 

If you was on here in 2005 you would have seen the details. Don't you know how to use Google. Go look for that shit.

 

Hatton ducked Floyd for years.. then thought that he'd get him at 147 cuz Hatton is so much stronger and bigger.. he got what he asked for and got KTFO