JLC HAVING TROUBLE MAKING WEIGHT AGAIN

& this time it's for the 140lb division:doh: . I can't believe he went back there, he could barely make 147. So now that he can't bully the little guys around by outweighing them and subsequently gets his ass kicked at welterweight, he comes back down to 140 where the odds are he'll be too weight drained to win there either. What a waste, makes me question the guys whole career.

 

The guy is a cheater, plain and simple. JLC weighed 165 lbs during the night he fought PBF the first time around (mind you, PBF still defeated him). His official weight the day before was 135.
There's no way he could've ballooned 30 pounds in 24 hours. And since we KNOW that JLC is the kind of scumbag who's been caught attempting to cheat the scale, it is safe to assume he weighed around 150 the day before he fought PBF.
By the way, did anyone notice that all of Double's favorites (JLC, ODLH) are scale-cheaters?

 

Just curious, do you describe Corrales the same way? You know since he was also caught cheating. Or those he get a pass since he passed away? opcorn:

 

@ this Point, Castillo Should Move Up to HEAVYWEIGHT or Retire...


REED

 

When did Chico get caught cheating? Also he moved up 2 weight classes when his body couldn't handle the cutting anymore, although admittedly he didn't live long enough to know how long or how successfully he would have maintained it.

 

I noticed a different trend. whenever flufferL is stuck in a rehab stint, castillo is caked up with a semen backlog and subsequently has difficulties cutting the weight

 

I don't know of Corrales and his team getting caught trying to manipulate the scales like Castillo did.

 

not making weight is NOT cheating....

Corrales couldn't make weight....Castillo couldn't make weight...and try to cheat on the scales....difference....

 

When did Corrales get caught trying to cheat, while weighing-in? :dunno:

 

Okay guys I think that's enough. I'm sure everyone is well aware LatinKing was talking out of his ass.
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Who is Castillo fighting?

 

when did Corrales get caught cheating? - it had to be asked again ::


I know Castillo's doctor got caught with the foot on the scale and Corrales didn't.

I meant cheating in the public's opinion. For years both guys were kililng themselves to make 135 when they really belonged at higher weight classes.

I remember Castillo got alot of shit even before he was caught cheating. when he didn't make weight twice he was not only labeled as a cheater for getting caught but because he had bee taking advantage of the smaller fighters at 135 for years.

I think corrales' situation was similar. The difference is his doctor didn't put his foot on the scale. But like Castillo he killed himself to make 135 until he couldn't get away with it anymore.

That is all. opcorn:

 

:nono: Uh uh uh, dear tongue of the snake, they're both fuckin' cheatin for being blue whales in bantam divisions, think Cotto at 140, and his GRUUUUEEELLLLERRRRRR against Moor'lignaggi, :: gruuuuueeeeelllllerrrrr

 

I think it's inaccurate when people say a fighter (P. Williams, Hopkins, Corrales, Castillo, etc...) "cheats" by making weight and being bigger in the ring, provided he fairly makes the weight.

It's just a flaw in the system, but they're still following the rules.

If a guy really doesn't make the weight like a Gatti-Gamache debacle, or Castillo's team trying to rig the scales, or if the questionable situations with Top Rank scales were indeed some shady business going on....then that's different.

The weigh-in procedures are something that should be fixed in boxing.

I find it rather ridiculous to have a junior welterweight title bout take place when one guy (Cotto) weighs 157 and the other weighs (Corley) 140, or a welterweight title bout with one guy (Baldomir) outweighing his opponent 162 to 149 (Mayweather), and so forth.

The point of weight classes is to have guys of equal size fight each other.

 

I agree with all that. I also agree that if a guy makes weight there is no problem.

At the same time when you follow boxing for a while you can tell when a guy is too big for a weight class and is clearly taking advantage of his size.

In Castillo and Corrales there was a time when they were fine at 135 but there was also a time when they were too big. Hell I remember when Castillo cheated and they negotiated for a higher weight for the rematch. Corrales actually was heavier going into the ring. Which shows how much heavier he was going to be during the fight.

He was just weak from trying to make the weight. But it still showed that neither guy should even be trying to make 135, aside from each other all the other guys were naturally smaller and were getting destroy by both Castillo and Corrales.

Hell remember when Oscar fought at 130 and 135? But seriously if he wanted he could have tried to fight there for longer. Le'ts say if the money fights were there at the time. He would have had a huge size advantage. But we all know he wasn't a natural super featherweight. ::

 

WHat Corrales did for years, was not cheat, but follow the rules. Cheaters, are those who break the rules, not follow them.

 

so you think boxers actually take advantage of weight classes?

you don't see anything wrong with a guy going 10-15 pounds in a day while the other guy is naturally from that weight?:dunno:

When Calderon fought Cazares at 108 Calderon went from 105 to 108. come fight night Cazares was 130. Sure he made the weight but clearly he didn't belong there and had a crazy advantage.

what is the point in making weight when your gonna put on another 20 pounds the day after? ::

 

The rules are the same for everybody. Its that simple. If you're a "natural" for a division, maybe you aren't sweating enough off.

If you want to offer an alternative? Fine, go right ahead. But this is the system we have and it's the same for EVERYONE. If you make weight, you're not cheating. Simple as that.

 

dude your full of shit avoiding the point.

I know what the rules are. but that wasn't my point to begin with. If two guys make the weight at 135 and one goes up 15 pounds on fight night. Then your not seeing two lightweights go at it. The weight come fight night is what should count because it's the weight you are fighting at.

I don't have an answer but I won't pretend like it's not a problem.

If your gonna tell me that's the rules don't bother with a reply I clearly read that in your last two posts. It doesn't change the fact that some fighters take advantage of the weight classes.

Maybe you would like boxing without weight classes since the mismatches in weight don't bother you. :dunno:

 

What the fuck is your point in the first place? That its cheating to play by the rules? I don't even know what you're bitching about now, or making up.

Some fighters take advantages of weight classes? :: WTF does that even mean? If you're making weight easy, maybe you aren't in the right class. Drop down in weight and 'take advantage of a weight class' :: (so stupid) Ever think about that?

 

two guys make weight, one goes up 20 pounds come fight night. Nothing wrong with that? are you retarded or you just act like one? :dunno:

it's pretty simple. but maybe not for the simple minded opcorn:

This topic comes up everytime a fighter goes up 15 pounds come fight night. stop acting like I make it up. Do you even watch boxing? :laughing:

 

The point he is trying to make Latin King, is that if you make the weight legitimately, at then official weigh in, you're not breaking the rules. And he is correct.

Everyone boils down like a sponge, and fills up again after the weigh in with fluids, creatine, steaks etc. That's part of the game now.

As long as yo make the weigh in legimiately, you're not cheating.

Yes it is a concern that boxers can blow up in weight like that, but it's part of the game now, as long as they make the weigh in, they are not cheating.

If you fought at you're walking around weight, you'd be putting yourself at a severe disadvantage to other boxers.

Simple as that.

 

I remember Erik Morales gaining 13 pounds and MAB gaining nothing for the 3rd fight. 143 to 130, who won that fight? Funny enough Rafael Marquez came into the ring against Mauricio Pastrana that night weighing 133 pounds. The guy weighed more than MAB did. :: Regardless, there no breaking of the rules and nothing can really be done about it.

 

So do we like Bradley? Castillo is done imho, and if he struggles to make weight the Bradley guy could win, if he is any good.

 

Bradley was the favourite, last I checked.

 

Yeah, but LatinKing has a point too. Boxing is supposed to put evenly matched guys against each other and the only reason they don't have same day weigh ins (which would fix this problem) is because fighters would cut weight regardless and would only be that much more in danger of getting hurt or killed.

 

But nothing is ever equal. Do you complain that some guys have access to better sparring partners or trainers? That some fighters have a heavier punch, or quiker hands? No. Being able to cut weight effetively is a skill and its part of the sport now days.

You guys could bitch about anything if you tried hard enough.

 

Haven´t seen any odds yet. :dunno:

 

I saw Castillo @ +118 about two weeks ago, somewhere. Remember thinking at the time "something seems fishy here".

 

Wouldn't that just make him heavier ??