Some of the recent ones, like Timothy Bradley and Alexander Povetkin, have moved on and are basically contenders now. After them, the names you hear about the most include Amir Khan, James Kirkland, Andy Lee, Alfred Angulo, Victor Ortiz, Abner Mares, Vanes Martirosyan, etc. Yuriorkis Gambo hasn't had as many fights as some of those names, but he's gotten a lot of press...and he's scheduled to fight on Shobox in the near future and then possibly on HBO. Of the rising fighters, who do you like the most? Who do you think is mostly hype? Whose stock would you buy and whose would you sell? I'd probably buy stock in Daniel Jacobs. It's early in his career so it'd be cheaper. He's very young and unproven in a lot of areas - he's fought less than 4 rounds in 3 fights - but I like some of what I've seen from him so far. He seems to have requisite size, athleticism and power to be good and has a lot of offensive skills, a variety of punches, and he goes to the body well. On the negative side, he's a little too offensive at ths point. He doesn't move his head enough, and at times he pulls straight back and doesn't use his legs enough to move out of range. I'd sell Andy Lee's stock. First of all, he's gotten a lot of hype so he'd be more expensive. But as a fighter, while he has height/reach and power, I don't like his footwork or his handspeed. I also don't like the way he sometimes holds his right arm, or keeps his left hand...he doesn't protect his chin all that well and I think a sharp counterpuncher would give him a lot of problems because I don't particularly like his reaction time. I also don't think he uses his jab effectively enough.
Not to mention the fact that in three fights, Andy Lee will more than likely be fighting Pavlik now that he's signed a 3 fight deal with Arum. Jacobs is a very good choice. I think he's excellent all around and is a real joy to watch. I'm big on Victor Ortiz as well, but he's not a prospect anymore.
I really like James De la Rosa 15-0 (11), who fought James Webb (now 22-3 (20)) last Friday (won by ko4), but the fight got lost with the other stuff going on. He's very talented. He did get rocked though when he switched to lefty and got tagged, but came back strong and is a vicious body puncher. Timothy Bradley is better characterized as a prospect than a contender. Oscar Pereyra (13-0 (10)) is the Argentine equivalent of Miguel Cotto. (Maidana (contender now) is the Argentine equivalent of Ricky Hatton.) Alfred Angulo (already mentioned) is a hell of a good watch. I probably should switch my #1 prospect from Khan to Gamboa, but I'll hold off for now.
I see you're familiar with the obscure Argentine fighters. What do you think of Lucas Matthysse, mullet aside? ::
Oscar Pereyra lost a 10 round decision to a scrub he had already beaten this past weekend. He was just flat as hell. I hope there is a good excuse because this loss borders on unbelievable.
REED Would Definitely BUY Stock in Alfredo Angulo... N his Last Fight, he Showed some New Wrinkles...Angulo Actually ALLOWED Gutierrez to BRING the Fight to him...REED was Used to Seeing Angulo BOMB Everybody Out N a Round or 2... He's AGGRESSIVE, has TRUE 1 Shot POWER & he's Extremely Fan-Friendly...Angulo's Going to Make Some Good Money, B Involved N Several MEMORABLE Fights & a Part of Plenty Vegas/PPV Main Events... REEDartie:
None of them excite me particularly. I don't see anyone I expect to be talked about in 20 years. Angulo looks the pick of the bunch to me, but he looks like he'll end up being about as good as Margirito in the end. Excellent fighter but not the future of the sport by any means. I really think boxing is on the steep down slide, talent wise, has been for 25 years.
Gamboa all the way. I'd make the mistake you shouldn't make and put all my eggs in the same basket. I know he's open but this guy has huge potential, PFPder potential for sure.
That's NOT True @ All... 25 Years Ago, it was 1983... Do U Realize just HOW MANY "Talented" Fighters have Come Along Since Then???... REED:hammert:
Check the Ring ratings for the early 80s and compare them to the 90's and 00's. Absolutely no comparison. Each decade has declined on the last one. And thats just the top guys - the depth of talent is probably where there has been the biggest decline. It shows up in the ring too - you just dont see the same high level of skill and intensity that you did 25 years ago. Dont wanna sound like a miserable cunt, things aren't all bad by any means, but I think the talent has generally been drying up since the early 80s and the 00s has definitely been WEAK. Pacquiao & Mayweather are the only two fighters this decade's produced that'll crack the top 100 in all time lists.
But How About All the Guys who BEGAN their Careers AFTER 83'???...U're the 1 Clinging to "25 Years" & that's just NOT Accurate... Roy Jones, Bernard, DeLa, Tito, Ricardo Lopez, Barrera, Morales, Floyd, Tyson, Holy, Lennox, Wlad, Toney, Whittaker, Calzaghe, Pacquiao...The MAJORITY of these Guys WILL Crack Top 100 All-Time Lists AND they All Began their Careers N your 25 Year Timeframe... REED:dunno:
Except for a few notable exceptions, boxing has been on a constant downward spiral in terms of talent for 83 to 86 years. Where have you gone, Jimmy Wilde?
1. Overall talent has declined. 2. Boxing is hurting itself. The main culprits are the rules and the short-sightedness. First of all boxing needs to get rid of holding. AND If it means a fourth judge, that counts clinches. Every fighter gets 36 initiated clinches or three per round. For every three extra clinches, you´ll get a point deduction. I´m so sick and tired of fat slobs clinching in the first minute of a 12 round fight. I´m tired of fighters, whose only defense is holding the opponent after he missed a punch, making any follow up impossible. I want fighter fighting toe to toe, not nipple to nipple. And you ´ll see how the knockouts return to the game. Untrained and old fighters will disappear.
No, but it hurts the game. Why would Wladimir Klitschko learn how to move, how to keep his hands up or how to throw punches on the inside, which would significantly increase the quality of his/the boxing, when all he has to do is learn how to hold as soon as anybody gets close. If you know you aren´t allowed to hold excessively in the 10th round, will you work a little bit harder in the gym, cause you know your ass will be on the line, when you get dogtired? Better product, better entertainment, better payment and more interest, more people pick up boxing. People want to be like Mike Tyson not like Wladimir Klitschko. Will the referee allow Povetkin to fight Wladimir on the inside, or will Wladimir be allowed to clinch Povetkin at every opportunity? My money is on the excessive holding.
Juanma IS NO LONGER A PROSPECT!! Remember that beating he gave to Daniel Ponce DeLeon? He is a champ now.artie:
25 years ago Juanma wouldn't have been allowed to carry a spitbucket for guys like Little Red, Cornelius, and Chacon.
Agree 1000%. This, along with getting rid of 15 rounders are the two things hurting boxing the most. And yes that includes PPv and the alphabet soup.
Agreed that the rules need to be ENFORCED,... but it will have severely undesireable effects, .......I mean,.....are we really willing to eradicate the shoulder roll, and with it, Fraud's bogus undefeated record, .....just to stop the odd clinch? :dunno:
Jacobs looks like he has potential. Unforunutely the cat is from BK. Just about EVERY fighter in BK history has turned out to be wastes of talent. But Jacobs has championship potential easily.
i bet 25 years ago..people were saying....lopez,cornelius,chacon,sanchez wouldn't last 3 rounds with the likes of pep, gans,McGoveren, saddler...:dunno:
I left Sanchez off on purpose since the other guys are nothing special and Sanchez was. I don't agree with most of the criticisms of boxing since I've been a big fan since the early 90's and the early 90's absolutely sucked as far as television coverage. People just like to whine.
