Round by Round: Joel Casamayor vs. Michael Katsidis

dsimon writes:

Is there any other kind? Tam Tam is such a grouch no doubt because he recieves daily beatings from discontented Australian Aborigines. ::

 

Cassamayor is a big puncher and is very good at timing counter punches. Hatton isn't a big puncher and he doesn't let his hands go. You have got to be a big puncher or at least throw alot of punches to stop Katsidis. Holding him all night isn't going to KO him. Katsidis is the bigger puncher in this match up. If he could hit Hatton coming with them big right hands he could hurt him.

Im not caught up in the hype. I picked Cassa to beat him tonight. Im just stating facts of his these guys match up.

 

:flip:

 

Casa is a bigger puncher?:dunno: Since when?

And Hatton damn sure hits harder than Graham Earl.

 

OOPS::

 

dsimon writes:

If a ref stops a fight because the fighter is unresponsive I have no problem with that. What I saw was Katsidas trying to get his legs back about him... something a few more seconds might have helped him with tremendously. I don't know what he said to the ref at that point. The ref had a chance to stop the fight when Katsidas was knocked down and chose not to. :dunno: I would not have raised an issue if the ref stopped the fight at the first knockout.

 

i picked it

 

:: :laughing: ::

Hatton landed an effective lead right all night long against Tszyu and had some success with it early even against Mayweather. So a face first fighter like Kat'sanus is going to elude that and do something against Hatton. ::

Okay! Hatton lost but it was to the best fighter in the world and at 147.

If these guys ever fight I'll empty whatever bank account you want me to. Checking, savings, you make the call. Warrior or not, Hatton KILLS that fool!

:flip:

 

The ref gave him a chance after the first KD, but you could tell he was worried and thought about stopping it....rightly so.

After Casa landed those uppercuts and that other left, Katsidis' eyes were once again gone and he was crosswise to Casamayor with both arms on the ropes....

Katdisidis was gone. On his feet through sheer willpower, but gone...and he was not punching back.

It was basically a case of the ref stepping in b/c he realized he likely should have stopped it earlier.

Peace.

 

dsimon writes:

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dsimon writes:

Intresting hypothesis. I will watch the replay but I think Katsidas was throwing punches when it was stopped. Unlike some other extrapolations at least the idea that the ref was reconsidering makes some sense. I am not trying to be an asshole here... (I don't have to try!) but seriously when a guy is throwing punches back and the ref lets him continue that is the real basis for considering whether the fight should go on.

I can't fault a ref for correcting a judgement that has a material effect on a fighter's safety and if this is indeed what happened then....ok.

 

Yeah, watch it....Casa hits him twice hard and basically Katsidis falls foward on the ropes, both gloves on the ropes.

The ref VERY SLOWLY backed away from Kat after he allowed him to go on, but was looking straight at him.

Katsidis was still dizzy and off-balance after the count...shoulda probably been stopped then.

Peace.

 

Casa ISN'T a Big Puncher...On a 10 Scale, REED would Rate him a 7 or 7.5 MAX...


REED

 

You are too much of a hater to see reality. Yes, hatton has held in his career and roughed fighters up on the inside but you have it in your mind that all he does is hold and not do anything else. Just look at his punchstats for one. Your constant comparison to John Ruiz is absurd. hatton gets inside and keeps working. He throws more punches than the average fighter for 140-147 weight class. He may not be a "big puncher" as far as having one punch KO Power but you can look at the Tszyu fight, the JL Castillo fight, and the Maussa fight and see what kind of cumulative damage this guy does. Mayweather, Corrales, Casa-they never came CLOSE to taking Castillo out early like that.
:nono:

 

So you missed him stumbling about with Casa against the ropes? Casa landed a couple more and the ref stopped it. No controversy and hopefully, no lasting damage.

Seemed like a good call to me. :dunno:

 

Actually, though it's often not talked about, Corrales actually staggered Castillo several times early in their first fight...Castillo passed it off quite well.

That said, I agree with your points above.

The Castillo shot though - that was just a perfect one; comes along very rarely. Hatton was able to put his entire body behind that one shot right to the ribs/liver section as Castillo was stepping away and not looking.

Beauty.

Peace.

 

Agreed. Timing and charging in face first did Katsidis moreso than Casa's power.

 

He was actively trying to throw that exact punch though. Everytime he broke off an attack he threw that left to the body. It was really just a waiting game to see when it would take effect.

 

Yeah, but you don't get a flank exposed like that too often - so you can target it with all your might. ::

 

andrade is a neanderthal.

 

Agree. Katisidis' defense wasn't that bad. He does a lot of good things, he's just so aggressive there are openings.

 

Whoever said Katsidis beats Hatton is on drugs, .

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The left hook Casa stopped Katsidis with was very similar to the left hook Witter knocked out Harris with.

 

some thoughts on the fight...
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1. Damn it.
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2. Katisidis/Gatti comparisons are stupid. Yeah, they are both exciting, but they don't fight alike.
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3. Damn it.
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4. This fight reminded me of hatton/floyd because of one guy coming forward the whole time and the endings were very, very similar. The other fight that came to mind was Whitaker/Hurtado because the champs had slowed down so noticeably, but managed to steal victory from defeat with atypical, definitive ko's.
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5. I picked Katsidis to win by ud which looked really bad for a couple of rounds and started looking right for a while and then who knows.
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6. If Casamayor had 10 seconds because he was still on the ring apron then he probably should have been counted out. As I remember, the ref was on about 8 when he stood up, but he was outside the ropes and the ref let him get inside. It didn't bother me when it happened because I thought he would get 20 seconds, but when Lederman stated what the rule was, I went 'hmmm.'
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7. The fight to be made (besides a rematch that wasn't even mentioned on the telecast, was it?) is Katsidis vs Maidana (140 lber, though). Maidana fights like old Hatton which is pretty similar to current Katisidis and he hits really hard.
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8. I won't be surprised if Katsidis is on the juice. His body is really, really chiseled for a white guy, but more to the point, his stamina is really amazing for how hard he punches throughout the fight. Anyway, I hope he is not on the juice and I hope he comes back and is very successful. He is good for the sport with that style.
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9. Damn it.
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10. Think of how good it would have been for the sport if this fight had been Floyd/Hatton or at least on its undercard. But no, Oscar gave us a greedy piece of shit undercard. Thanks.

 

I agree the Katsidis-Gatti comparisons are annoying.

 

Ive never heard of Maidana, but I boxrec'd him and he seems pretty impressive.

Another dream matchup would be Katsidis-Torres at 140. Torres might be a bit too powerful for Kat, but it'd be a helluva fight whilst it lasts!

 

Mayweather-Hatton and Whitaker-Hurtado were both fights that came to my mind after the fight as well.

The Katsidis/Hatton comparisons are pretty easy to come to, especially their proximity in time, the round they occured in, and the knockouts were in pretty similar fashion.

But yeah, Casamayor's knocked was a bit reminiscent of Whitaker being able to overcome some knockdowns and really shaky moments late in his career to win.

I had noticed Schorle seemed to stop his count prematurely when Casmayor was still outside the ring ropes. Sorta glad it continued, though.

 

Ask Castillo who hits harder out of Casamayor and Hatton ::

You HATE hatton, and it's clouding your judgement. Hatton is not a puncher? Actually at 140 he can hit pretty hard.

1 punch KO's over Maussa (head shot) and Castillo (body shot) - and you say he can't punch. You can't be serious?

You're doing some serious hating.

Hatton hits harder than Katsidis and Casamayor.

 

Oh and dsimon, Katsidis wasn't even throwing back.

That stoppage was just right, Katsidis barely knew where he was.

 

They all fought Castillo in his prime thats why they didn't come close to stopping JLC early. Plus Castillo had a whole lot of problems going tinto that fight, not getting paid, his brother dying, Chico dying and the reality that the Chico fights took alot out of him.