Kessler withdraws from super middleweight fight with Miranda

REED has No Problem @ All w/that Matchup...

But Kessler is ALLOWED to just SIT BACK, as if he's THE MAN @ 168???:dunno: ...Right Now, there IS NO "Man" @ 168...w/Calzaghe Moving Up, the Floodgates have OPENED...


REED

 

So Paul Williams and Joshua Clottey aren't top ten welterweights? Neither is Kermit Cintron?

Banks as a resume enhancer? :dunno:

Miranda was completely outclassed by Pavlik, that doesn't enhance much of anything.

"If REED's Not Mistaken, Miranda KO'ed Eastman Not Long AFTER Bernard Went 12 Cautious Rounds w/Him".......he also lost to Abraham...and not long after that fight he lost to Wayne Elcock and John Duddy.

 

Just So we're CLEAR, REED Isn't Trumpeting Miranda as the "Be All to End All" TEST for Kessler @ 168, Mr. FEEBLES...

But the Thing is, Miranda's THE ONLY Guy REED has Even Heard Kessler MENTION Fighting...Now he's Pulled Out Twice Inexplicably???:dunno: ...

If Kessler Pulled Out to Face ANOTHER ELITE Supermiddle, REED Would have No problem w/It...But as Is, Kessler's 5-6 Months REMOVED from a CONCLUSIVE Loss, w/NO Opponent on the Horizon, yet Peeps have CROWNED Him as 168's Best???


REED:dunno:

 

I've never crowned him with anything. I do rate him and Bute as the two best...though I rarely see even a lot of press mention Bute.

Kessler is very high in three rankings for belts that may become vacant next month, depending on what Calzaghe does after the Hopkins fight.

Both Showtime and HBO have expressed interest in him as a fighter after the Calzaghe fight...that doesn't just dissipate after a few months of inactivity.

 

Miranda KO'ed Eastman MORE than a YEAR B 4 the Guys U've Noted DECISIONED him (Excluding Abraham)...

To Date, THE ONLY Person to EVER KO Howard Eastman is Edison Miranda, yet that DOESN'T Mean Anything???:dunno: ...Eastman was CLEARLY Top 10 when Miranda KO'ed him...Allan Green was a Top 10 Supermiddle when Miranda Beat him...Abraham was Top 5 when he "beat" Miranda...

For a MIDDLEWEIGHT Moving Up to Test the Waters @ Supermiddle, YES, David Banks is a Resume Enhancer...Moreso, THE WAY Miranda Disposed of Banks ENHANCES his Resume...


REED

 

Eastman has lost 5 of his last 7 in a three year period, and Miranda is in the middle of it...when he was already in his mid 30's and well on the decline.

Cintron, Williams, and Clottey are STILL top 5-10...not just when Margarito fought them.

Green's out of the top 10, Eastman was probably borderline/fringe top 10 at-best when Miranda fought him...he isn't even on the radar now.

Margarito moved up to "test" the waters against Daniel Santos...a champion at 154...but yeah, that's well below the level of moving to fight Henry Porras and David Banks.

And that loss was certainly controversial.

 

U're Still NEGLECTING to ACKNOWLEDGE that Miranda is THE ONLY Guy to KO Eastman...Just Saying, "He's Lost 5 of 7" DOESN'T Tell the WHOLE Story, Now Does it???....

He Lost BY DECISION to Bernard & Abraham...He was KO'ed N 7 by Miranda...Won 2 More Fight, then Lost 2 Reasonably CLOSE Decisions...

No Matter HOW U Wanna Spin it, KO'ing Howard Eastman, WHEN Miranda Did it, is VERY Impressive...

Again, NOBODY has EVER KO'ed Eastman, to Date...Not Duddy, Abraham, Joppy OR Bernard...& Eastman was IN his 30's Before EVER Facing a World Class Fighter, so his Age is of No REAL Consequence Here...

Clottey BECAME Top 10 on the Strength of his Fight w/Margarito...REED Isn't So Sure Clottey was Top 10 PRIOR to that...Not Universally...

Since WHEN is Green OUT of the Top 10???:dunno: ...Last Time REED Checked, he was Ranked 6 or 7 @ 168...

Margarito Also LOST to Santos @ 147...So it's NOT like he was Treading N Unchartered Waters, when he Moved to 154 to Face him Again...Besides that, Santos has 1 of THE WORST Chins in Boxing, yet HE Enhances Margarito's Resume???...Nevermind that he LOST TWICE to him Either, Right???


REED::

 

Miranda's under-rated right now as hell the way people are talking. Pavlik said his fight with Miranda was harder than any of his ones with Taylor. Miranda has the right style to beat Kessler.

 

that fossil eastman had miranda legitimately hurt as I recall. as did al green. can't see why kessler would be worried about this guy, more likely he and/or palle is worried about leaving europe to fight ANYone.

margarito did not lose to santos at 147, either.

 

yet who did better against pavlik? taylor or miranda? miranda got beaten the fuck up by pavlik and barely won a round or so.

floyd said the same shit bout emmanuel augustus, but so what

 

i dont agree w/ Reed on santos having one of the worst chins in boxing. he got stopped only once and that was against a guy who can really crack. plus, he wasn't even laid out and complained about the stoppage.

santos was also the much bigger guy at 154.

 

You're really trying to dress up that Eastman win. ::

Which ranking has Green in the top 10?

Clottey was in the top ten before the Margarito fight.

You proclaim Miranda's loss to Abraham as a huge achievement, yet Margarito's loss to Santos was simply a loss. They were both "controversial".

Speaking of uncharted waters...you're aware Miranda has fought at super middelweight earlier in his career right?

 

Fair Enough....

But How Many times has he BEATEN Daniel Santos' CHINNY ASS in 2 Fights, NEIL???

Does THAT Enhance a Resume???

REED::

 

There's Really NO Dressing Up Required...

NOBODY has KO'ed Howard Eastman EXCEPT for Edison Miranda...PERIOD, End of Story...If that Doesn't Impress YOU, then So B It...

Allan Green is N the MIDDLE of Ring Magazine's Supermiddle Rankings...

Who would YOU Rather Lose to, Daniel Santos or Abraham???...


REED

 

well I had margarito beating santos in the rematch, when the fight was arbitrarily stopped at the best possible time for santos.

first fight was a no contest wasn't it?

I'm not even debating resumés. all I know is that kessler would beat down miranda.

I'd take andrade over miranda also, but that would be a great fight.

 

Ring magazine's rankings are as arbitary as any other...and in some cases moreso. (Perfect example, from what I remember, there were rankings prior to last weekend where Kotelnik wasn't even in the top ten...yet Juan Lazcano was.:dunno: )

Green's not ranked in the top ten by any sanctioning body.

Frankly, this is a case of them getting it right, IMO.

He has done virtually nothing since the loss to Miranda...and pulled out of his last fight at the last minute.

I had Margarito beating Santos when that fight was stopped...and had Miranda losing to Abraham.

 

point is, it's not ping pong. it's fighting. and the more you hurt your opponent, the better. it's why i'm no fan of fighters like taylor, or pbf for that matter. putting hurt on their opponent isn't the name of the game for them.

 

If it is "the more you hurt your opponent, the better" how does Taylor not win this argument over Miranda?

Did The Ghost trip over a shoelace in the second round in AC?

 

That was my first thought...he's pretty much the #1 ranked contender in every belt that he and Calzaghe fought for - and Joe will likely vacate.

He - or more accurately, Palle - have likely been offered and/or negotiated something.

If it's anything other than that, then this stinks and it's a crap move on the part of Kessler. I have never accused any fighter of cowardice; but he's definitely avoiding some risk - and avoiding Miranda - if it's anything other than being promised a shot at a soon-to-be-vacated belt.

And even then it reeks....I wanted to see this fight and thought it was a good one. It's also a HELL of a way to break into the U.S. market, which was the intent behind this fight - this would be one of the best opponents he could have picked to make a statement Stateside. :doh:

That being said - Miranda has done very, very little to prove he should be considered elite and/or a legit threat at 168. He's looked impressive beating Banks and Porras, but that's really not saying much at all.

If anyone should fight; it's Andrade-Miranda...that would be an eliminator of sorts and an absolute war.

The next few days/weeks should tell us.

Peace.

 

A question I would have is what involvement might HBO have had in this.

They had the opportunity (and passed) on two fight cards May 24, Kessler-Miranda and Hatton-Lazcano/Malignaggi-Ndou II.

Given how much money they likely had to spend to get Hopkins-Calzaghe and DLH-Forbes on the "regular" (in April and May) I'm sure there's some budget restrictions on what they can do the rest of the year.

But from what I've read, HBO still very much wants to televise Kessler (or promote him, depending on how you look at it).

Kessler might be turning down this offer now, but I have to imagine there's something on the (HBO) horizon down the line.

And given the differences in available budgets, it's hard to fault a fighter for taking that path...if something close to that is in fact what happened.

 

Makes sense. However, this is where a guy like King knows how the game is played...do a little lobbying and make this fight for an interim championship ala Rahman's route to a heavyweight title the 2nd time.

 

Fightnews now has Miranda calling out Bute with his usual venom saying that he'll go to Bute's backyard and Bute is a coward like Kessler if he ducks him.

Miranda sometimes annoys me, but he backs up his bullshit and I respect that.

 

At the end of the day, Miranda is just trying to make a living. He's in a career where your prime disappears really quickly and for him to waste time like this because of Kessler being a scared pussy is just wrong. I hope Bute gives him a shot.

 

Its about time they did something right

 

I have no doubt he'd fight anyone, but it seems to me he wants to be given a big fight without doing much to get there.

I don't know how losing a title fight and a title eliminator at 160 makes him this huge factor at 168.

So far, what's doing it seems to be his (Warriors) press team.

Like I said earlier, I'd love to see him fight Andrade.

It's almost impossible to envision how it wouldn't be a good scrap...and Andrade's a good super middleweight. That win would mean something.

 

You think Edison can beat Bute?

 

Kessler, a scared pussy? ::

 

I don't really care either way, but if the fight can be made, I'd like to see it.

 

Or at least he tries to

 

Bute would ko him more severe

than Pavlik.