Tam

Tam, this is the strangest thing you've ever said.

He is not even the hardest puncher in his division, let alone pound for pound.

He has a couple of brutal KO'd over mediocre opposition, but when has he ever KO'd an elite fighter?

Look at what effect Pavlik's punches had on Miranda compared to Smurf's.

Would you also not think that the hardest puncher in the sport would be able to KO people 2 weight divisions below him?

Taylor and Kofi had both been KO'd at welterweight, yet they lasted the distance against Abraham.

Yet he is the hardest puncher in the sport, pound for pound? :dunno: :dunno:

 

For some reason I think Abraham was a bit busy with his broken jaw against Miranda. The last three guys he fought were unconscious before they hit the deck. How often do you see that in boxing today? I don´t know if he is the hardest puncher, but he has enough power in that lefthook to knock Pavlik out, just like Pavlik has enough to knock Abraham out. If you ask me who has the better chin, I´d say Abraham has never been knocked down, (even with a twice broken jaw), while Pavlik has tasted canvas a couple of times. Abraham has the better defense as well, Pavlik has the higher workrate, is more accurate and puts his punches together better. Honestly I don´t give a f*ck, who wins, as long as I don´t have to sit through years of Roy/Dariusz part II or wait till both are ancient like Calzaghe and Hopkins.

 

Come on, Shirt...I thought you were a man of the world, exposed to a variety of cultures and patient with them all? If this is so, how can you explain your inability to understand german?

It was CLEARLY laid out to you in the 3rd or 4th round of this fight, that Abraham is the hardest puncher in the sport and was PROVEN only recently in Berlin when he recorded a ridiculous result on the punching machine. It should be in the guiness book of world records. What more can you want?

Fucking ignorant, Spanish hating idiot :nono:

 

Were you joking then? Did the Gerries claim in this broadcast that Smurf was the world's hardest puncher because of a machine? ::

 

Yes, they did and I happen to believe that they did so with full disclosure and honesty. :nono: Why wouldn't they? :dunno:

 

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Those ruddy Gerries.

I usually steer clear of German broadcasts, they are just not my thing - depite my being a man of the world n' all.

However, I did watch this one and it was far, far worse than I remember.

Like a violent Eurovision song contest.

 

this has got to be a joke thread.

 

Damn Tam, I thought you were serious. I should have known better. ::

 

I thought he was serious too. If he had posted that statement alone, I probably would have taken it as sarcasm, but seeing as he followed it up with smurf would walk through pavlik is he fought a bit more, I thought he was serious.

 

I'm dissapointed at how quickly you dismiss solid, empirical data as irrelevant.

 

Check my sig. I don't.

 

Then you of all people should know how hard Abraham must have hit the machine in Berlin, if it even surpases rocket power from the 60's.

 

That's fair.

 

Yeah, yeah Apollo Creed didn´t believe the machine either. :nono: :nono: :nono:

 

I guess I just don't trust German engineering as much as some do.

 

Abraham is certainly among the biggest punchers, big enough to fight in spurts, take rounds off, and still produce brutal knockouts and break down his opponents. No way is Pavlik is leagues above him in terms of class.

 

Pavlik is leagues above him in terms of class and punching power.

If the smurf nuts up and signs to fight Kelly, you shall see.

 

Salaco - abraham looks like a puncher against bums.

Would you not have thought that one of the hardest puchers in the sport would have been able to put a dent in the two welterweights that he fought? Welterweights that had been KO'd at 147, no less.

The same as Freitas looked powerful destroying bums, but when he stepped up in class it was evident that his power was nothing extraordinary.

Who turned out to be the harder puncher when he fought Chico?

In fact, we bet on that fight

 

I was horrified to find out that Shannon Taylor went the distance with him, I mean what the fuck?...That was a sure and inevitably brutal KO, I still have trouble believing it.

 

Well he rocked Miranda eveytime he threw a few punches, he KTFO Ikeke when there wasn't a long line of guys waiting to fight him, and in between the decison wins (did you see the taylor fight? taylor fought to survive, abraham fought bored), he has managed to knock out a selection of weak to solid (no more) middleweights...he's no julian jackson but his power is undeniable at middleweight

By the way, regarding Freitas, it wasn't his power which had me pick him, it was his (at that point) herky jerky unconventional style and faster hands

 

His power is good yes, but he doesn't hit as hard as pavlik, that's beyond debate.

I'd say he hits about as hard as taylor at middleweight.

Taylor obviously had the power to hurt Pavlik when he got careless, and thus - so does abraham.

But pavlik is the better fighter and harder puncher.

I'd be VERY surprised if smurf won.

 

I think Abraham has better power than Taylor. I haven't seen Taylor knock people out like Abraham has. and Arthur also seems to carry his power well into late rounds, which is always a big plus for any fighter, he has several late round knockouts. I have grown quite fond of the smurf over the past year.

 

btw, does anyone have a clip of aa's latest knockout?

 

The smurf wouldnt even beat Taylor, let alone Pavlik.

 

:nono:

 

I'm serious. The smurf is gonna have to do more than feast on these no hopers than to convince me he could beat Taylor, or Pavlik. I wouldnt pick him over Taylor, but I'd give him a legit chance against Taylor. Against Pavlik I give him a small punchers' chance, thats it.

 

Does Hagler have a shot to beat Pavlik? What about SRR? Pavlik is hurt or kissing the canvas every other fight, but listening to MWS, you´d think he´s Willie Pep. :: ::

 

I dont remember anybody ever suggesting he could beat Hagler, or SRR, but guess what? The smurf is no Hagler or Robinson! Pavlik isnt a great(as of yet) but he is by far the best at 160 right now, and the smurf aint beating him IMO.

 

What a fucking ridiculous thing to say. Because I pick him over a mickey mouse titleholder, Abraham, you start insinuating that I would pick him over Hagler and SRR?

Well, no, I wouldn't pick pavlik against either of them if they were around at the same time.

Also, when did I ever act like pavlik is not hittable, or can't be hurt?

I already admitted that seeing as Taylor hurt pavlik, so could the smurf, so what are you talking about, I'm making him out to be Willie Pep?

 

Honestly speaking, I think Abraham is a bigger puncher than Kelly Pavlik.