Does Cintron have...

One can hope:clap:

 

It feels somewhat illogical, but I do believe he's a live dog in this one.

I expect his offense and footwork to be much more refined (as evidenced recently) and I think he'll land much cleaner this time around. He'll also pump his jab more and look to clinch more on the inside to dull Margarito.

It's a long shot but not implausible. He looks/sounds really, really hungry for this one, and despite them being "inferior" fighters, I do believe the Estrada, Suarez and Feliciano fights have helped him for this rematch.

And yes, Margarito can be hurt....especially early.

At the least I expect it to be a much better fight than the first one.

You have to at least respect Cintron for wanting the re.

Peace.

 

Based on the first fight it's pretty fucking hard to picture Cintron winning.

I'd like to see it.............. but don't ::

 

Why?.. what's so unlikeable about Margarito?... :dunno:

 

I said he has above average power. I've repeatedly asked for the proof that he's some super power puncher. Everyone puts him on the same mythical power punching level that Hamed and Mayorga used to be on. In truth Cintron is no more powerful a puncher than Margarito himself. Cintron has been in several fucking slugfests some guys he stopped others he didn't. The fact that Cintron never once stopped even a top B level fighter in the early rds pretty much should prove he's nothing more than an above average puncher. Yet people constantly get caught up in myths.

They've been saying Cintron is a big power puncher for years, my question is when has he ever proven it.

If he slugs with Margarito he'll lose because I suspect their power is about even but Margarito has proven to be much more durable, both mentally and physically.

 

He CRIES about Peeps "Ducking" Him, yet he's THE ONE Welter that NEVER Finds Himself N a Meaningful Matchup ...

Floyd, Shane, Cotto, Baldomir, Zab, Shit, even Quintana & Colazzo have Had More MEANINGFUL Welter Fights than Margarito...

Also, he's NATHAN Special Stylistically...A TALL Pressure Fighter that NEGATES his Advantages N Height & Reach...Soon as he Fought a TALLER Guy/Sparring Partner w/a HIGHER Workrate, he LOST...& his Power is OVERRATED...Margarito's CHIN is Excellent, but N Every Other Regard, he's a "6" on a "10" Scale...

N 2 Fights, he NEVER Beat the VULNERABLE Daniel Santos...He's an OVERSIZED Welter who's Not GOOD Enough to Campaign @ his REAL Weight...

AND, he's 1 of YOUR Faves...

How Bout YOU Tell REED what's LIKABLE about Margarita???


REED:dunno:

 

:nono: Why must you love him?.. Ok I will tell you why,..

Margarito is like Carlos Maussa, only with wings. He is skilless, has horrible technique, footwork, and defense, but is very successful, just by being himself, I doubt he's changed much since he first put on the mittens, I don't think you could teach him anything new, but he is the epitome of a raw fighter who has stuck to what he's comfortable with, you throw a textbook at him and he'll gnash it up with an awkward and resilient retort. Usually the street thug gets a fucken hiding when he steps through the ropes to face a professional fighter, I think Margarito was a rare exception who sent the gym running bewilderly out of there, and yet, this vicious Coyote, is concealed behind a beautiful and gentle personality with attractive looks and a monsterous great butterflies proboscus on the scales, making Margarito his own donkey show attendant.

But hate on...

 

Margaritos recent comp is good. Clottey and Williams arer top 10 fighters and Cintron is top 10 as well. If he wins and Cotto wins they finally they can fight.

 

Well that's because like you said, peeps be ducking him, makes sense when you think about it. Also he does have Arum as his promoter, a guy who makes fights based on politics over matchups.

Well Paul Williams does the same thing except for the time he fought Margarito.

I don't think his power is overrated as say...Cintron's. You don't hear people saying he's so powerful like they do for Kermit. Margarito isn't a beauty to watch and no where near one of my faves but I kind of like him because he's like the testing factor for guys at the top level. If Cintron loses to him big again, he'll never be consider a top fighter IMO.

 

:: :bears:

 

To be fair though...Mayweather DID leave $8 Million on the table to face Margarito.

I thought Williams-Margarito was a draw....and btw, your description also fits Williams to a T.

Peace.

 

Mayweather "Left" 8 Mil on the Table to Get 15-20 Mil vs. DeLa...

AND, Bob Arum CONVENIENTLY Offered Floyd 8 Mil AFTER he Knew Floyd was LEAVING Top Rank...

REED Doesn't Think All that Much of Paul Williams Either...



REED

 

I think Floyd got 12 million to fight Baldomir first, then he got 15-20 for DLH. Sucks to be Margarito.

 

Sure he does.

Since the first fight,..Cintron has gained his confidence back, to a point,..and won a title.
Antonio has regressed a tiny bit.


So for sure, this is a better matchup now than it was then.

 

the only way Cintron has a shot, is if Margarito is either shot, or gets shot on his way to the ring.

Cintron has looked terrible since his loss idk what you guys are talking about, and so long as Margarito doesn't take his "Willy Pep" dive pills he's gonna slaughter Cintron.

 

Nup, 8 million and 1 dollars, minus $750, 000 to avoid Margarito and fight Scrubdomir instead, but at this late stage in the year, even then it wasn't known wether Oscar would make the fight, the Margarito / Fraud affair began well back into the year, even before the embarrasing Judah matchup, but your right in one regard, Margarito was TOO RISKY an opponent with a 'possible' huge payday on the horizon, you've virtually admitted it :bears: so well done, the truth shall set you free. :bears: .

 

"avoid" is not the word. You're assuming that Margarito avoided floyd, because margarito's your hero. Since all your heroes has been destroyed and exposed, you are bitter. Floyd took on the better offer, he was being eyeing oscar since he started moving up in weight. Now if Margarito were the undisputed WW champ, and floyd didn't fight him, then you can say he's ducking him....

 

We all know how much Fraud loves money, and at that stage he'd never seen that much before, had Arum offered 8 million for Scrubdomir, do you think Fraud would produce $750, 000 bail money to go fight Margarito under Goosen for 8 million and 1 dollars?.. Doubtful my friend, very very doubtful, it was clear oppurtunism, to target Scrubdomir, hence every man and his dog barreling over one another to get to him when he became champ, and Gatti won the first tender, which was oppurtunism on Baldomir's part.

It's true that I am rather "charmed" by opressed under-dogs, and my 'heroes' losing is perfectly acceptable, it clearly isn't as horrifying to me as it is to all Fraud and Cotto groupies, it happens to 99% of all fighters, including Fraud,..(Castillo 1 )

 

Where is this proof Arum even made that offer to Floyd? Who we supposed to believe, fucking Arum? I don't think so. Arum tried to say the same thing at one point about Mosley, that Mosley turned down a Margarito fight too, and it turned out Mosley was never even made an offer.

 

I always liked Margarito but I do think he wasted a lot of time waiting for money fights, he barely stayed busy half the time, thats not the way to force the issue IMO, Bob is partly top blame but margarito himself wasted a lot of time, a commodity which is pretty important for a guy with his style

 

Yes he does!!

if Margeratio is sick, doesn't train, has the flu, or has a tight back.. then Maybe

 

Apparently an offer was made to Shane and he said that he wasn't ready for Margarito at that particular time, Margarito was completely charmed by his honest responce, (I love it when my boys get along I'm in no way saying that Shane is afraid, he's never ever ducked anybody, the slippery, shiny, black beast has integrity, at the time I think he knew Margarito was a gruelling handful without the ratio of reward for his first insertion back at Welterweight, anyone can understand him wanting a trial opponent, he is above 35 and is cutting weight which has proved devistating to boxers like Jones and Tarver.

:nono: If Arums offer was a bluff, what better way to EXPOSE him by calling it?........,Fraud didn't, on two occasions, just incase it was real I suspect, all Fraud had to do, was say that Margarito was too high of risk for too low of reward, and it would have all blown over in a month or so, instead he screamed like a baby, and his groupies scrambled into an unprecedented damage control, that's why we're still talking about it today.

 

Mosley did turn down that Margarito fight...

I find it funny how guys like Francisco Castillejo are always chosen as the "first" opponent for some star moving into the division but Margarito never was, even though he was the longest-reigning champ at welter.

 

So if you knew the answer and are going to tell all the thread participants they "don't know what they're talking about"....why start the thread? :dunno:

 

Sorry, bro, but I have to disagree.

In April of 2006, Floyd elected to buy out his contract with Top Rank for $750,000 INSTEAD of taking the $8MM to fight Margarito on August 12, 2006.

His purported reason was that he had injured his hand in the Judah fight and couldn't be ready to fight by August, per Leonard Ellerbe, who said "When and if he [Margarito] is the best available option for Floyd's next fight, that's the direction he will move in."

So - Margarito never was the best option and PBF never pursued that fight, even a reschedule.

At that point there was NO DLH fight on the horizon at all, other than PBF occasionally saying he wanted to fight DLH at some point.

PBF ended up fighting Baldomir on November 2006. And Margarito fought CLottey in December. There was plenty of time to schedule a PBF-Margarito fight.

Peace.

 

Nice work, nice work.

 

When he fought Zab everybody said he was ducking the real champ Baldomir. When he fights Baldomir hes ducking Margarito..........

 

No one thought that. Him fighting Zab was disgraceful...and then turning around and fighting Baldomir? Ugh. The winner AND loser? What a way to avoid the most obvious match-up in the division at the time.

 

:bears: You wont find Jeffrey Dahmer in this post.

 

Fighting Baldomir was the logical thing to do. Fighting Judah was shit. :shit: