Somewhat popular bad takes

99% of the time, the message board warriors get knee-deep in flaming on the way to spewing nonsense about Roy being a ducking bum, or claiming Marciano could beat Lennox Lewis.

Whats the worst take you've ever heard, that was made by multiple people. I mean if we're going on one call we can easily close this thread with "2-2-8 a draw."

I'll start with "Floyd ducked Margarito."

He fights the lineal welterweight champ, then Oscar De La Hoya, then Ricky Hatton, but he should've fought Daniel Santos' son, whose claim at 147 is losing the Paul Williams and having a win over a prospect who was hyped by Emmanuel Steward, which has worked out great lately.

What are some others?

 

I was just over at Maxboxing and heard more than one poster say that Duran had faster hands than Leonard.

 

PBF is p4p the best fighter in the world is a popular bad take.

He is the most technical fighter in the world for sure but to be the best fighter period you need more. For example nobody cares (nor should they) who is the most technical guy at middleweight - we all know who is the best fighter there.

We don't yet know if Floyd is the best fighter of his own division and definitely he hasn't cleaned it out so it could be that he gets overpowered by guys of his own size now. Thus when a fighter moves up, he should lose his p4p status until he proves him again. However most people never even think about these things and keep repeating what media tells them

 

So who pray tell is the P4P best then?

 

Daniel Santos' son? :shit: :notallthere:

 

Well if that gets seconded we can definitely call this the worst take ever.

 

come on now. He's clearly the most talented fighter in the world, and he's now moved up 4 divisions to beat DLH and Hatton back to back, this was after shutting out Baldomir and beating the piss out of Gatti (who sucked).

But if ur P4P is based on talent/accomplishments, there's no way anyone is above Floyd.

 

Right now it is Calzaghe who as cleaned up his division good but now that he gets up in weight he loses the title. Next IMO is Kelly Pavlik

 

Again, if talented means most quick and technical, I do agree. If you base it on accomplishments, then Hopkins and Jones should be up there.

But I think it is funny when people say how "he would beat everybody if everybody was the same size". I mean WTF? If so, he should be able to beat guys of his size in his own division and he hasn't done that (at least not yet). The saying as it is just means that he is the most technical fighter, which is true

 

well its not a lifetime achievement award, but on the ""what've you done for me lately" side of things, ull be hard pressed to find a better set of cosecutive wins than DLH and Hatton. Add to that his moves up in weight and continued dominance, and he epitimizes "pound for pound" IMO.

I mean, at the very least we can have debate about it. But if someone said something like Felix Savon would beat Lennox Lewis in the pros, they'd be a lunatic.

 

my vote goes to "pacquaio won round 12 vs marquez in the rematch"

 

"Floyd is a defensive genius".
"Everybody fouls so it's ok".
"Floyd shut him out" (For 8 - 4 type of fights).
"Floyd did NOT duck Margarito"

 

has jaws seen margarito-santos? ::

 

Good one.

 

Co-sign. ::

 

Evander Holyfield should have won the rematch vs. Lennox Lewis :doh:


David Tua will "get in shape" for his next fight. ::

 

Trinidad swept the last four rounds against De la Hoya.

 

Germany is infamous for bad boxing decisions
Chris Byrd would have/still been a champion at cruiser or light heavy if he hadn't bulked up
Roy Jones dominated from 154 to light heavy
Julian Jackson was one-dimensional

 

Good ones

 

A more accurate one is....DLH swept the first 8 or 9 rounds.

 

Oscar is old and isn't an elite fighter anymore, you know this. There are many other guys at 147-154 who are better and would be tougher fights for Floyd.

Hatton sucks at 147, his only other fight he got a gift against Collazzo and was nearly KO'd.

Pavlik on the other hand Just beat Miranda who was ranked #1 at 160 and then defeated Taylor twice in a row. That right there is a hell of a lot better than fighting old ass Oscar and Hatton at a weight he doesn't belong at.

 

Agreed. It's been ages since I've watched this fight, but there were about three segments of this fight that I remember. The cautious early rounds. The DLH boxing rounds in the middle, and then the tired-DLH rounds late.

People only seem to remember the DLH middle rounds, partly because "Outclassed is too big a word for what's going on here".

 

"De La Hoya sealed the victory over Quartey with the 12th round knockdown".

What a load of shit. He spent a ton of the fight (i.e. lost at least 7 rounds) standing there and eating jabs and the occassional right hand.

 

See the point, but I had it a 1-pt. win for Quartey...it WAS a close fight.

 

How'd you have that score? Just curious......I do agree with your "El Helicoptero" assessment in general, though. ::

 

If you had DLH-Trinidad fight for Tito or having it a draw, I think you have to give Tito the benefit of the doubt in every close round.

It's similar for DLH-Quartey. In order to have DLH win or it to be a draw, you had to give DLH the benefit of the doubt in every close round.

 

It kind of annoys me when people say Marvin Hagler was a face-first, pressuing, brawler.

People need to watch more than the Hearns and Leonard fights and highlights of his other fights.

 

What the 12th Round Did was ROB Quartey of the RIGHT to Say he Got "Robbed"...

He LOST the 12th Round Sooooooooo DECISIVELY, U COULDN'T Blame ANY Judge for how they Scored it...10-8 OR 10-7 Would've been JUSTIFIED Scoring for that Round...

REED Scored it 10-8 & had Quartey Winning by a SINGLE Point...But REED Couldn't Argue w/ANYBODY who Scored the Fight for DeLa OR had it a Draw...

That Fight is just 1 of MANY that we STILL Debate Today...As GREAT as DeLa was, he WASN'T the Most DECISIVE Winner Out there, In the Ring....



REED

 

I love how this thread is polluted with controversial fights and close contests that people claim are cut and dry.

A bad call, is saying John Ruiz was ducked by Lennox Lewis. I guess there's controversy amongst trinidad fans about getting humiliated by DLH, but i will never see that fight for anything other than a massacre.