The "I NEVER was Impressed by Margarito" Bandwagon...

dsimon writes:

. Ripper please yourself. I actually think Baldy did pretty good. He pressures well (for a slow guy) and beat some good guys. Gatti and Judah are competative with Margarito... sorry that is not a pipe dream... am I the only one who thinks this? :dunno:

 

I guess we can leave "some success" as nebulous as it was intended.

I see no way he fights Williams to the point of even having a chance to even have an argument for 4-5 rounds, let alone an argument for a draw or win (which some people, including some ringside press members, had it).

I doubt you really believe Margarito would get swept (as Baldomir was on two cards)...so it's good you couched it it with a "might well" in front of it.

 

dsimon writes;

I only used those terms cause they have not fought. Neither of us know what would happen, we are hypothesizing.

You overestimate Williams horribly IMO. Margarito seldom pressed Williams until the later rounds. Do you really think others will stand in front of that stickbug and get hit repeatedly?

I don't lie with my opinions Mitchell if I felt like Margarito would have more success I would say so. Please don't patronize in leu of the fact that I think Margarito should be Molasses en espanol.::

 

You think gatti is competitive with margarito? ::

Come on...

As overrated as I think marge became, he'd still slap gatti all over the place. Did you see gatti fight the other day?

 

dsimon writes:

Gatti would have been a fight similar to Baldy. A solid win, not really competative, my bad.

 

Wow, this debate should really have ended with the "Gatti would have been a good fight for Margarito" line.

If the shorter, slower and lighter hitting Baldomir stopped Gatti, the taller, faster and more powerful Margarito might have killed poor Arturo.

Time will tell how good both Margarito and Williams really are.. The one thing I am fairly confident about is that either guy would give Floyd, Cotto, or Hatton all they could handle.



Edit: Posted this before your correction above Brother Dsimon...

 

At this point Gatti would probably struggle with 6 heads Lewis

 

dsimon writes:

I see Mitchell lurking around here::.

I would like to add some dimension to this topic by asking the following question.... knowing that I am adding something to the mix. Is it really so horrible to think that Baldimore has done pretty good for himself even in losing to Mayweather? The guy is solid. He lands good punches, goes after his opponents, and... was not an easy time for Mayweather. He kept charging in and attacking and trying to win that fight!

Is it so inconceivable that one might think that him and Margarito are in the same class as fighters? I am not talking about who they fought per se, this argument has been broached and debated. IMO Margarito is the more accurate puncher, both guys press well, I give a little more to Baldimore in this area and both are a bit slow, with Baldimore slightly better defensively.

 

Come on dsimon, I think I'm the one being patronized. The fact that two fighters haven't fought hasn't kept you from opining in the past (say on the subject of Klitschko-Briggs).

If you really think Baldomir could win 5 rounds or so against Williams, you can say it...likewise with Margarito being shutout against Mayweather.

I'd certainly disagree with both conclusions, but see no problem in that.

I don't overestimate Williams, I don't think he's that highly skilled...but a 6'2 frame with that work-rate is hell for a lot of welterweights to deal with.

You are right, Margarito didn't fight well early on...but I think you severely under-rate how well he blocked Williams punches, and he comlpetely turned the fight around...and was putting some hurt on Williams late.

I think a draw was a very reasonable scorecard in the fight, though I had it 7-5 for Wiliams.

 

dsimon writes:

I could have lived with a draw though I think Williams won.

Yeah Williams has some reach and he punches a lot.... You really think he can do that if the guy is not standing in front of him though?:: If that were the case boxers would be trained like stick people punching continously. There are many ways to smack the stick man a bit!

 

Remember 'Mo' Harris at heavyweight ?? He never did shit but after a few scathing letters he posted on fightnews he had most of the BoxingPress board convinced that he was a legit top 5 heavyweight ::

 

:nono: Sometimes you make some good and valid points Dsimon across a range of topics,..but naturally you're not going to produce many if you're going to stand behind the larch of Fraud-groupies self-proclaimed triumph, and side with Reed's obvious shit-stirring agenda, he's running a muck for the sake of debate, he's having some fun, and deliberately being irrational, he's not really that silly, it's a ploy to exhaust his challengers, by playing dumb behind his usual impressive array of articulation, and making them explain everything in minute detail, from physical and stylistic differences, right down to the pores on the surface of Margarito's skin,.. Reed's hitting the ball left,..his opponents are running left,..then he hits the ball right,..and his opponents scurry the other way for 14, 15, 16 pages..:: you gotta love him'.. ..but the only way to deal with this,..is take his analogy, insert Fraud Mayweather into it, and hit it straight back down the line until the argument grinds down to a draw, a stale mate. He makes no concessions.

 

OK, let me be clear. Margarito does not deserve a shot at Floyd NOW. That was not the case before. Marg is coming off a loss and has no business fighting anyone other than a Williams rematch right now.

However, this does not excuse the perception that this somehow proves Margarito was unworthy back then.

Perspective: For years, people were saying Roy would lose. Finally, he did lose. People now use that the down his entire career. Say someone is going to lose long enough and they eventually will. It doesn't mean you were right the whole time.

No. I have never seen Baldomir fight. For awhile I was absolutely sans boxing. It sucked ass. :shit:

 

I addressed the Marg point above. He does not deserve a shot at Floyd now. I don't like excuses being made for fighters avoiding others. That is my issue. I don't dislike you personally.

I have no idea what Sly smells like.:dunno:

 

Since Margarito is STILL Being OVERfuckingRATED,REED May as Well BUMP this Thread...


REED

 

you think Judah has any chance of beating Margarito?

 

:eeeek: Wow and I never even read this comment before I made that post in a previous thread!...

:doh: Oh my fucking god I scare myself sometimes!!,..:clap: Reed please!!

 

Ooooops!!!...


REED:stir:

 

:: :bears:

Yes, oops REED, butter fingers hit the reply button again.

Bloody marge. Overrated ducking bastard.

 

This all just proves how very, very relevant Antonio Margarito ACTUALLY is, I mean 2 sets of 20 pages?,..Carlos Baldomir dont produce that kind've electricty .

 

.....put me on it, i been saying he aint all that for years

 

Margarito isn't great by a long shot, but Mayweather clearly ducked him. No doubt about it.

 

Oh Good Lord.....not ANOTHER thread on this.

 

.....says the biggest fan of RJJ there ever was who fought maybe 1 or 2 guys the public actually demanded he fight. As for the rest, they "ducked" him. And it wasn't his fault.

 

Can I sign up for this bandwagon? I also volunteer to detail the bandwagon to make sure that it's shiny and new.

 

This was REED's Way of Extending the "Olive Branch", Based on the Other Thread....



REED

 

Roy Jones Jr WAS Better, & FOUGHT Better Guys, than Margarita & Williams COMBINED...

It's Tooooo EARLY N the Day to B Drinking, DOUB...



REED

 

Riiiiight. ::

No olive branch needed though - that was good discussion!

 

He has a point, though....

IF: despite all of the factual evidence that the fault/blame isn't SOLELY Margarito's; one insists that it's squarely HIS fault that he didn't fight all of these fighters...

And you say, like MWS, that if "you're offered a fight, and you turn it down, you're ducking" no questions asked....

Then you DO have to assign at least partial blame to RJJ for not fighting Michalczewski, Liles, Collins, Eubank, Benn....and instead fighting Byrd, Thornton, Pazienza, Lucas, Brannon.

Fair, my friend, is fair. :tease:

Peace.

 

put me in that wagon REED