If Calzaghe wins...

...will you consider him the light heavyweight champion?

 

hed be the lineal champ wouldnt he?

he beat the guy who beat tarver who beat jones

:dunno:

 

What about Erdei, who beat Gonzalez, who beat Michalczeswki

 

nobody considered michalshitski to be the real lt heavy champ :nono:

 

How did Roy become lineal then?

The Ring said Roy was the champ but even Nigel Collins said if The Ring had their policy around in the mid-to-late 90s, that DM would have been the champ.

 

He was actually the linear champ.

 

Then why does the distinction matter?

 

i wasnt sure about the lineal stuff, thats why i put the question mark

regardless, jones was THE GUY, at lt heavy not michalshitski

so if calzaghe beats hopkins ill consider him the champ

 

Yes.

 

i guess since golden boy owns the ring mag, i can consider that as some sort of a sanctioning body. haha. calzaghe would be a title holder should he win.

 

He would be A light-heavy weight champion, but he would need to beat Chad Dawson before I crown him as THE champion.

 

What about Erdei? Why Dawson and not Erdei?

 

IMO, Dawson is THE man to beat at 175. The man to beat him is the champ in my eyes.

I have no real interest in Erdei, on the grounds that I think he is pretty weak as champs go. In fact, I'd say he was the weakest of the 175 champs. :dunno:

Personal preference, I suppose...

 

Erdei only fights corpses, he's a bitch.

 

Pretty much agreed :clap:

 

I think he his to fight Erdei. Sure from the eye ball test he's beat the man sitting next to the man; sitting next to the man. LOL Erdei could beat him maybe? That's why they make 'em fight, cause you never know.:dunno:

 

Erdei was and is the lineal champ and that title goes through him.
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Roy, great as he was, was too big of a pussy to go to germany because he got screwed in korea. Yeah, that sounds just as pathetic as it was.
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Erdei is excruciatingly average. Whether or not he has some lineal claim to the title is irrelevant, IMO, because there are other fighters at his weight class who are markedly better than he is.

 

I think he's good and the only clear pick over him, imo, is Dawson. He might be the 2nd best, he might be the 10th best, he might be the best.

The best lineal claim and a legit belt = relevant.

 

Hopkins is the man.. he will whup Crapzola and reign sumpreme, I do suggest he retire though and leave the division to be taken over by Chad Dawson, he's about to stretch Glencoffee and then he will be the new king

 

Obviously my description of him is relative to his status as a WC. Erdei is quite clearly a good boxer, BUT I would pick Dawson, Hopkins, Woods and, depending on how he fares next week, perhaps even Calzaghe to beat him. As I said elsewhere, IMO he is the weakest of the present top 175lb-ers.

My original point was that the man who claims to be THE champ at 175 has to first go through Chad Dawson. You could argue the merits or otherwise of Erdei's 'relevance', but at this juncture, all roads at 175 lead to Chad, not Zsolt IMO...

 

if Zaggy wins it's due to Bernard getting old

 

Good to see you getting your excuses in early, brother...::

 

I mean, it just aint happening..

it's like saying

"if a pig flew"
and I'd say "we were wrong about the laws of physics"

 

If Dawson wants to be THE champ at 175, HE has to go through Erdei. You sound like an HBO/American shill.

 

Hopkins is the man at 175 by Calzaghe beating him he becomes the man.

Dawson beat Adamek who was average. I don't understand how he inherited the throne with that win.:dunno:

Dawson is the best young champion at 175 but no way is he the best. ::

 

I agree if Calslappy beats Hopkins it makes him "the man" in the division, then it's up to Chad to prove he is the man.

 

Yes he would be the champion and Dawson would be the number one contender

 

Nup. The best fighter is Dawson, one must defeat him, in order to be the top lightheavyweight,.. I dont give a fuck about that linear shit, Baldomir was a "linear" man, and it all depended who put up the most money to take his title away, same sort of thing with Hopkins.

 

"Best" fighter is a subjective term until it is proven in the ring by defeating the top opposition - including the linear and/or "the man" at the weight.

Out of the title-holders pre-Hopkins, Tarver was the one to CLEARLY have done that at 175 lbs.

Hopkins beat him - and did so CONVINCINGLY.

That means Hopkins is the man at light heavyweight, IMHO.

We may think Dawson is "technically better" or "would beat him" - but he has not PROVEN that in the ring.

He is taking a big step in that direction by taking on Johnson.

The other 'claimant' is Erdei by supposed virtue of the lineal title - he beat Gonzalez, who beat Michalcsewski....but I see the string end here.

Can someone explain to me how Erdei gets the 'lineal' crown by beating Gonzalez who beat Dariusz....when Dariuz got the 'title' by beating Barber who got by fighting for the vacant WBO title with Tom Collins?

I don't live and die by lineal titles and so am not an expert....but seems to me the line at Light Heavyweight is NOT clear-cut.

If Calzaghe wins, you have to consider him "the man" at 175 with Dawson - assuming he beats Glen by then - as #1 'contender.'

Unification is in order after Tarver-Woods and Dawson-Johnson any way you look at it; including Erdei.

Peace.