Pugilistic Pet Peeves....

I hate it when people say "You have to take the belt from the champ".

They act like just because a fighter has a belt he doesn't have to do as much to win.:doh:

 

If we're going with color scheme, another thing I hate is certain color ring aprons.

There's this one red one they sometimes use for small shows at ARCO, it hurts my eyes a bit. :: (That, or the low quality of their fights.)

Another one that bugged me was the yellow one I sometimes saw on G's HBO-Latino telecasts.

 

TOTALLY agREED on Tyson...

James Kirkland PURPOSELY Wears the Black & Black BECAUSE of Tyson...& REED Loooooooooves Kirkland for that...

REED Doesn't Understand why Boxers DON'T Wear the Same Shit Everytime:dunno: ..It's CHEAPER & Allows Fans to INDENTIFY w/the Fighter...

Roy Jones has Outfits TAILORED for EACH of his Fights...Floyd Does LIKEWISE...That's WASTING Money N REED's Opinion...REED Bets Ali had about 10 Pairs of the White & Black Trunks, which Lasted for MOST of his Fights...

Being an Artist, REED Recalls the Days when LeRoy Neiman would Paint Pics PRIOR to Big Fights...In those Days, U KNEW what Trunks the Guys would Wear...Nowadays, U RARELY See a Neiman Painting & REED Thinks the Trunks R PART of the Reason why...

Trunks ALSO Help N VISUALIZING Fights B 4 they Happen....

REED

 

agREED...

1nce that Bell Rings, there IS NO "Champ" N REED's Opinion...BOTH Guys R Fighting for the RIGHT 2 B Called "The Champion"...


REED

 

Well, technically, they have to do more because the champion keeps the belt with a draw. ::

 

agREED...

DARK Colors R Good for Ring Aprons...

How About the SLIPPERY Logo's???

Imagine if the NFL ALLOWED Slippery Ads to B Placed On the Playing Field???:: ..

REED HATES That Aspect of Boxing as Well...

The FIGHT is THE Most IMPORTANT Thing...NOT the Advertisement Dollars...


REED

 

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You ever see Asian fights or fights from Thailand? The yellow and red M-150 aprons are priceless.

So are the bright white canvases in Japan...but frankly those look cool.

Peace.

 

Agreed...and those long mobile ads they sometimes put on the apron, outside the ropes that often get kicked off.

For some reason, it doesn't seem like ads have been as much of a problem recently. Not sure if they've made them differently, but at least I don't think it's as much of a problem as it used to be.

 

:: Touche.

That said - I see what toomuchsol is saying and agree. It's won on rounds & points.

 

:doh: :doh:

The White Ring Aprons R VISUALLY DISTURBING...

If a Fighter has White Shoes On, U CAN'T Even See his Feet...

UGH!!!

REED:shit:

 

REED sees those N Euro Fights Alot....

& just about EVERYfuckingTIME, Some Fighter Inevitably Trips Over 1 of those Things...

It's like Placing a BRICK w/an Ad on it, N the MIDDLE of the Ring....


REED::

 

About time you admitted Fraud ducked Margarito, it only took 100,000 forum pages, and someone to present an irrefuteable argument that Darius Michaelszewski was the "linear" champ :: ,.. :doh: I wish I had of thought of that, but I like Roy, and know he would have flogged that fucken polish chopping block.

 

From Day One, REED has ALWAYS Listed Baldomir as the "Linear" Champ AND Cited Brian Kinney's INSISTENCE on Criticizing Floyd as Such...

REED has NEVER Subscribed to the "Lineal" Theory...Every Time a Thread Pops Up, REED is FRONT & CENTER Arguing AGAINST that Flimsy Ass Premise...

Bottom Line, Margarita DUCKED Cotto MUCH MORE than Floyd "Ducked" Margarita...

FACT!!!


REED:stir:

 

That's completely incorrect, but let's see how much Margarito 'ducks' Cotto if he gets by Cintron again,.. you and I both know he won't, and that's because we both know he didn't "duck" him the first time.

 

How SVELTELY U SEGUED from Margarita's INITIAL DUCKING of Cotto:cheer: ...

Almost as if it NEVER Happened...

N "Fraud's" Case, he had BIGGER Fights N Mind (Zab, DeLa, Hatton)...But what EXACTLY was Margarita's Modus Operandi for DUCKING Cotto???...A WBogus "Mandatory" w/Paul Williams???...

BIGGEST Fight of his Life...A CHAMPIONSHIP Fight...Same PROMOTER...

Hmmmmm???...


REED:stir:

 

It is definitely arguable if Judah was a bigger fight than Margarito.

Also, linear is all there is. Other titles are peripheral.

 

N Terms of PPV Sales, it's NOT the Least Bit "Arguable"...Judah was a MUCH BIGGER "Sell" than Margarita...That's NOT Even Debateable...

"Linear" BLOWS...1nce Again, there's a Guy who NEVER Lost his Title IN the Ring, N just about EVERY Division...


REED

 

Are you seriously going to rehash this entire discussion?

There's easier ways to "evade" or "duck" tough fights than taking on Paul Williams, re-upping with Top Rank (Cotto's promoter) and getting Bob Arum (who wanted to make that fight in the first place) to agree to the Cotto fight for Margarito's next bout (provided he beat Williams).

Seriously, only on message boards is that somehow a product of cowardice...or whatever else anybody wants to call it.

 

Well HERE's the RUB...

Guys BITCH about Floyd "Ducking" Margarita, when INSTEAD he Faced Zab Judah (BIGGER PPV Attraction), Baldomir ("Linear" Champ, SAME 8 Mil he was Offered for Margarita), DeLa (15-20 MILLION Reasons to Take that Fight) & Hatton (10-15 MILLION Reasons to Take That Fight)....

So WHICH is More EXCUSABLE???...

The Idea of Floyd "Ducking" Margarita Due to what REED has Referenced OR the Idea of Margarita "Ducking" Cotto to Face his FORMER SPARRING PARTNER, Paul Williams???...



REED:dunno:

 

Ta da. Sense.

 

like you always knew tyson would have black trunks and black boots

my pet peeves:

the diaper weights ( F U donny! :flip: :: jk)

different title organizations
honorary or emeritus champions
matches 7 years too late
promotional companies holding up fights
lots of others

 

From about 1986-on, maybe 12-15 fights into his pro career, you can rest assure that Iron Mike would be wearing thes trunks in the ring.

http://www.antekprizering.com/tysonbrunoiiticketpic.jpeg

When I see old films of Tyson wearing white trunks, it just doesn't seem right.

 

Oh yeah? Where were you when I was saying this a week ago in other threads? :flip: :kick:

 

:: :flip:

 

Alphabet madness
Inactivity in fighters
Politricks preventing big fights
Current weigh-in procedures
Lousy refs
Vitali Klitschko

 

for the record REED:

to say Margarito ducked anyone is a pure disservice to the man. I know you do not have the pleasure of knowing him but considering he has never refused any offer he thought fair in fighting anyone I don't think it is appropriate to say he ducked Cotto without know the full circumstance of the situation

right after the fight with Clottey they were discussing possible fights for Tony which included names like Vivian Harris, Luis Collazo, and at the very top of their lists were Paul Williams and Miguel Cotto. At around Feb I think they submitted their list of names as to who they think they could fight next, met with Top Rank to discuss, and draw out a plan to make their top fight, the one with Miguel Cotto, happen. Now mind you this is in the middle of Tony about to become a free agent so knowing this, Arum puts a caveat to him getting his fight with Cotto like Arum promised. He had to sign on for three more years after the Cotto fight. Tony wasn't feeling this because, at the time, Top Rank really never promoted Tony the way they promoted other Mexican, Fernando Beltran managed, fighters so he wanted to see what was there for him. Angered by this they began their own negotiations with Dan Goossen about making his mandatory against Paul Williams who had been calling Tony's name for a while. When the negotiations about this fight got to Bob, Bob tried to put a stop to it with the WBO, making everyone fly to Puerto Rico to straighten it out. Once the money was set Tony decided to fight Williams for somewhat less than what he would have got for Cotto but also with facet, if he won, his name would be the main one out there for Cotto to fight.

He took a dangerous fight with an opponent he did not have to because like he had said all along he would be willing to fight the toughest opponents provided they would be willing to fight him. He took a chance most fighters wouldn't have and I respect him for that.

You may not like the man and thats cool its never been my job to win the world over on Tony's behalf but please do give the man his due. Considering the other names he could have fought (Harris and Collazo) him opting for Williams when Arum tried to pull a bait and switch on him was high respectful of the fight game and his word that he would fight anyone.

now most true fans of Tony will tell you Mayweather never ducked Tony. While the offer of 8 million was said by Bob I think it also included options on Floyd and add to the fact Floyd never wanted to do business with Bob again (which still holds true) then there is no way he ducked Tony. When Goossen stepped in and stupidly told Floyd he could give him 8,000,000.01 to fight Baldomir it really was a no brainer. Dan took a chance and a bath on that fight because I truely think he felt he could slide in as Floyd's new promoter considering his ties with Al Haymon. Boy did that backfire and to this day I think Dan is still recovering thats why you haven't seen him sign someone of signifigance in a while.

Floyd was on a master plan for mainstream marketability and he attained it with the route he took. I give kudos for that he is now the most known fighter in boxing. A fight with Tony at the time would have done little for that route.

As a resident of Tony's left nut even I know that.

 

Did you forget how hard the commotion was regarding him ducking Paul Williams? It was a fully committed counter-attack, it was so hard, with such a forceful momentum, that when Williams - Margarito was initially announced on this very forum, in it's very first thread, NO ONE, complained about Margarito / Cotto being called off, it was more a 'shock' and 'ownage' thread :: and that concept made me laugh, the fact that a superfight had been cancelled in place of a mandatory defence, and %50 of people cheered, and the other 50 didn't know what to do or say!?, it was a true testament of how Fraud groupies hold thier fighter higher than boxing itself, and are more than willing to shamelessly customize the environment around him, just to suit his agenda devoid of principles, Dympeople and Illuminati in particular, were raped brutally on the spot that day.

:crafty: By that time, Margarito had already owned you twice anyway, once with the way he made Fraud squirm, twice when Jake informed you that Paul Williams had turned Margarito down for Joshua Clottey's place on HBO.

Reed: "Margarito, fight your mandatory". :stir:

 

dsimon writes:

:bears: :bears: And let me add..... Because human beings have just started in thousands of years of evolution to really understand how to throw a punch. :: You see? guys back then did not know how to hit as hard as guys now a days. ::

 

dsimon writes:

With one caveat.... A lot of the guys who are baised to the old timers have actually studied the sport considerably. A lot of these guys also talk about some modern fighters and.... Not that long ago there were guys still around who had some real interaction and had seen some of the old timers, so their opinions did/should have some gravitas.

My dad is a good example. He is 83, saw Louis a lot and saw Ali.... He loved both of them and is not biased but will tell anyone who will listen that Louis was better.... Unlike Ugo my dad SAW both guys fight. :notallthere:

Tyson was trained by a guy who was an old timer and trained Mike to be a student of the game and study the heavies of the past. Why would that be? One of the most brilliant minds in boxing, a guy who could have had any modern convenience and any modern approach basically trained mike as a throwback, go figure! :notallthere:

My problem with the guys who are modernists is that they generally have no real knowledge base. Most guys in the know either plug the older guys, or guys like Joe REine, are balanced.... I have seldom heard a great boxing analyst, somoene who knows the game and who has been around say that the modern guys are the apex of the sport.

 

I'd like 15 rounders and top fighters fight more often.