Calzaghe Vs Pavlik - who wins?

Add the choice "THE FANS" and it's the right answer 100% :bears:

 

IMO, Kelly Pavlik is a stylistic dream come true for Joe Calzaghe.

Pavlik is an excellent, 'come forward' fighter who relies on superior power at 160 to bludgeon opponents to defeat with big 1-2 punching combinations. He will bull forward all night long, looking to land big shots on Joe's chin to end matters.

Unfortunately for him, this is EXACTLY the kind of fighter Calzaghe prospers against. Joe is essentially a counter puncher who uses his exceptional hand and foot speed to pick off slower opponents as they come in and attack him.

Very little Bernard Hopkins did will be of much assistance to Pavlik, because although Bernard showed that Calzaghe can be picked off and made to miss if he is forced to play the role of the aggressor, Pavlik, IMO, is extremely unlikely to be able to fight like that. It's just not his way. He'll come looking for Joe, ala Kessler, and as he does Joe will tee off and get the hell out of dodge.

Even Kelly's power, which at 160 is undoubted, may not carry to 168. It is not unknown or uncommon for big punching MW's to lose a little of their 'snap' when moving to SMW, and many here should recall that there was much discussion after Pavlik-Taylor II about the apparent inability to finish Taylor like the first time. Kelly's punches didn't quite seem to have the same, debilitating effect the second time round, even when he landed flush.

For me, this is THE fight for Joe and Kelly right now. Neither has any reason to fight anyone else in their respective domains, and both men would gain significantly from beating the other in terms of resume and legacy. Not to mention that it would be a fantastic, fan-friendly fight.

MTF opcorn:

 

It's NOT Even About "Fighting the Same Way" as Bernard...That's IRRELEVANT...Pavlik DOESN'T Need to Do that to Beat Calzaghe...

The POINT is, Despite his PUTRID Punch Rate, Bernard was Able to DROP & Buzz Calzaghe w/SINGLE Shots...

Pavliks BIGGER, STRONGER, More AGGRESSIVE, a Better PUNCHER & Throws Considerably MORE Shots than Bernard...Simply Put, the MORE Punches U Throw, the BETTER your Chances...

If Calzaghe is Declining, it's MOST TELLING N his Defense...He Gets Hit MORE than Ever these Days...Against a VOLUME Puncher, he's GOING to Get Tagged...

Another Thing about Pavlik is he'll Fight Thru FIRE to Get the Job Done...Whether he's LOSING, Whether Calzaghe's Handspeed is Making him Look AMATUERISH & Whether Calzaghe ADJUSTS his Strategy, Kelly Pavlik WILL CONTINUE to Throw Shots @ Him...Pavlik's 1 of the BRAVER Fighters N Boxing & he DOESN'T Get Discouraged (Compared to Mikkel Kessler, who Basically Folded Up his Tent N the 2nd Half of his Bout w/Calzaghe)...

Calzaghe SHOULD B Favored, but this Fight ISN'T Nearly as "Easy" for Calzaghe as some of Ya'll R Making it Out 2 B...



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Calzaghe without a doubt!

 

I think Calzaghe would make Pavlik look very slow and plodding. Pavlik relies on walking opponents down and his long reach because his punches are slow and looping. This plays right into Calzaghe's hands because he won't have to force the fight.

He had to make the fight more against Hopkins than I think he wanted to. And Hopkins is brilliant at picking his moments to punch...he doesn't waste motion and his punches are short, compact, right to the target and he waits until you walk/come into his range.

It's frankly the complete oppositve of Pavlik.

Calzaghe's been hurt/put down by other fighters, so why not just take those as examples?

Calzaghe wasn't down for long. He was more hurt against Mitchell, and he recovered and came back very quickly.

 

But 1nce Again, Pavlik Throws BOATLOADS of Punches...& NOT N a Predictable Left-Right-Left Delivery, Either...& he's VERY HEAVYhanded...ALL of his Punches have SOMETHING On Them...

Pavlik Works the Body, Throws Uppercuts, Doubles on his Left Hooks,etc...By Comparison, Bernard is Precise to a FAULT...Sorry, but REED Likes a Slow, Looping, VOLUME Punchers Chances MORE than a Precise, Compact Puncher who Throws 10 Shots per Round...

Factor N Calzaghe's OWN High Workrate & it's NOT Inconceivable that Pavlik can CATCH Calzaghe N EXCHANGES...Calzaghe ISN'T the Straightest Puncher N the World Himself...Again, he's MUCH Faster than Pavlik, but ACTIVITY & TIMING can Offset Handspeed Sometimes...

The Mitchell Fight is a Good AND BAD Example...Byron DOESN'T Let his Hands Go to the Degree that Pavlik Does Either...He Showed that Calzaghe can DEFINITELY B Hurt (Joe Also Showed HEART N that Fight, to his Credit), but the SHITTY Euro Refereeing ROBBED Boxing Fans of a CONCLUSIVE Finish to that Bout...

Calzaghe MAY Have Been Floored Again, who Knows???...


REED

 

:bears: well said and RIGHT ON!

 

there is no question that Pavlik would straight up anally rape Crapzaga

 

Calzaghe uses angles too well for Pavlik and he's much lighter on his feet than Pavlik, or an opponent of his like Taylor, and he made Miranda look horrible because Pantera doesn't know how to move backwards or to the side.

He hasn't faced anyone close to the class of Calzaghe yet, IMO, and Calzaghe can move in more directions and punch from more angles it will show against Pavlik.

 

Kelly would impose his will, youth, and strength on Joe and beat him down to a points defeat in a terrific fight.

 

I'm really suprised at you guys!!!

I mean seriously!! the Joe C Dick sucking is at an all time high!!!

Pavlik would DESTROY Joe C!!! DESTROY!!!

 

Styles make fights.

Pavlik is big for a middleweight, punches hard and has good cardio.

Calzaghe is bigger than a middleweight, is fast, can throw tons of punches and has great cardio.

Pavlik has the age factor,...but right now, tomorrow......Joe would butcher Pavlik.

 

pavlik doesn't have what it takes to defeat calzaghe. contrary to what some have said he is NOT stronger than a 173lb hopkins. he is more active and has more energy, but much worse defense and craft. he would get thumped. the true test for calzaghe is Hard hittin Henry!

 

All true, until the henry part.

Calzaghe is head and shoulders a better fighter than Pavlik and his experience will take him to victory.

 

I'd still favor Calz, but after seeing that Hopkins right hand put Joe on his ass, I'm liking Kelly's chances better. Mainly because Calz at 35 isnt getting any younger, and he's prob already on the decline despite big recent wins.

 

I'll take Pavlik by decision or late TKO. I still don't see what all the fuss is about Calzaghe. IN Pavlik, he won't be facing a 43 year old fighter who has had his best days already and throws a minimal amount of punches per round to conserve energy. And if Hopkins could deck and buzz Calzaghe...I can definately see Pavlik doing the same and more of it.

 

Pavlik would STEAM ROLL Joe CRAPZAGA

Joe is soft and Pavlik is a monster in there..

 

IMO the thing is just that the energy-saving defensive master is more difficult for Calzaghe's style than a guy who opens up and tries to exchange shots. Hopkins can make anyone look bad. I think Pavlik could look better against most guys than Hops does but Joe is not among them

 

Pavlik has a style that Joe eats up. Joe would look spectacular against Pavlik.

 

I'll take the white guy.

 

Kessler buzzed Calzaghe as well, and then went on to lose almost every remaining round.

 

yeah but benard lands those sneaky shots that you don't see coming..calzaghe will brace himself for Pavlik's shots

 

Pavlik's best chance to beat Joe and its a good one is to overwhelm calzaghe's jab early in the fight

 

Seriously. Mickey Ward wasn't more dangerous foe than Floyd Mayweather. If PBF can land a right hand on someone that doesn't mean that Mickey Ward can do it too even though Ward often threw more shots and was more aggressive and probably hit harder.

 

huh

 

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without even using wacked compairsons to Floyd and Micky Ward, Pavlik will jsut DOMINATE Joe.. Joe is a soft body and Pavlik is a real man

 

So Now Pavlik's "Mickey Ward" ???...SHITTIEST Analogy EVER...


REED

 

and once again you are misunderstanding on purpose to make a point:doh:


My point was to say that styles mean everything in this equation. It doesn't go as easily as you suggest that since one guy hits more and harder, he will automatically land more.

 

True, but then some people are acting like Calzaghe is Bronco McKart.