VIDEO: For those who STILL believe Hamed was great...

I think the important thing to remember here is that Hamed was/is a great driver. Long after his boxing accomplishments have been forgotten, people will still remember his exploits on the road.

 

The video lasted 3:10 and showed about 30 seconds of footage of Hamed getting hit. No too bad for a pro career with around 30 fights.

 

Exactly. He must have got beaten in all of them too, since all he did was get hit ::

 

He's now UNDERRATED, if anything. Ability wise he was on a level with Tito and Tszyu (Tito is currently WAY overrated, Tszyu rated about right), a good champion with decent longevity who was flawed, overrated by some & ultimately found out, but with allot of ability and power. To read the forums now you'd think he was a fucking bum.

And watch Hamed-Barrera again from start to finish, that was a competitive fight. It was 8-4 or so by consensus, and Naz was live throughout and commanded MABs respect throughout. And make no mistake, that was a faded Hamed, whether he trained or not. As i have said before you only have to watch the Sanchez and Calvo fights where he looked JUST AS BAD as Barrera made him look for proof of that.

Anyway, either way he wasted what talent he had fighting non entities and deserves the low historical standing he's ended up with.

 

I had it 10-2, I gave hamed 2 sympathy rounds.

Barrera made him look like a bum, that fight was not competitive, and you're one of the first people I've heard say it was.

Apart from the odd nuthugging report, the next day most of the reports were Barrera dominated, schooled hamed etc, nobody said "Hamed lost a close decision".

I'm not tito fan, but he was a better fighter than hamed hands down.

Like hamed, he never beat an elite fighter, but he was a multiweight champion, and beat better fighters than hamed did.

Tszyu is on a similar level to hamed I agree.

 

Tszyu>Tito>Hamed

Fact is that if MAB had remained retired after the Junior Jones fights he would be remembered in much the same way. However, he came back and beat other great fighters, something Hamed never did. I like Hamed, but his status in boxing history is that of an average champion.

 

Fuck off is tszyu better than tito ::

Tszyu got bashed around the ring by cool vince, it took a legend in hopkins to stop tito.

Tito beat a handful of very good fighters, tszyu's best win was zab.

There is absolutely no argument for tszyu being better than tito.

Tito is a multiweight champion, tszyu never had the balls to move up, tito has also beaten more good fighters, and only beaten beaten by class A fighters, not fighters the level of cool vince.

 

Tszyu also beat a handful of very good fighters.

Who was Tito's best win?

Moving up in weight has nothing to do with balls.

 

What is your argument for Tszyu being better than, or being ranked over Tito?

 

My arguement is that Tito Trinidad = most overrated fighter eva

 

Trinidad > Tszyu......but Tszyu never wanted to prove US right..by moving up to 147 so Trinidad could rip his head off....

 

That's a stupid argument.

I know tito is overrated, shit just recently I was arguing with a few tito groupies for saying that he is not an elite fighter, never beat an elite fighter, and cotto is better.

All that is true.

What is also true is that he was a better and more accomplished fighter than tszyu.

That's just beyond argument.

 

Yes, but I really don't like Tito.

 

Fair enough.

To be honest, tito is the sort of fighter I usually like - a good, come forward attacking fighter with nice, crisp, accurate punches. Nice to watch.

I have never warmed to him or been a fan though, almost entirely down to his really, really, really fucking annoying groupies.

 

My thing with Tito is that I can't understand how he wasn't figured out pre-ODLH. I realize it took two future HOF's to expose him (Hopkins and ODLH for 2/3 of their fight), but they made it look relatively easy.

I also realize it's easier to say with the benefit of hindsight, but I just don't see Tito as anything more than a good champeen.

 

Everything you've said here is totally revisionist.

1) He was NOT competitive.
2) He was a clear and decisive favorite to win.
3) Barrera was the one who looked to be on the decline, NOT Hamed.
4) He lost to a guy who was using a style he had never successfully used before.

Now, what does all that tell you?

 

Generally a good post...:clap:

Hamed is hugely underrated nowadays- an unavoidable result of seeming to run from the sport after taking that beating from MAB. History will record that, upon losing for the first time against the first truly elite fighter he fought, Hamed to all intents and purposes retired when, as the clip which opened this thread notes, he had a option to take a rematch and try again.

It is clear now that he was a level below the very best, but he was still a very good fighter.

I also had the MAB-Hamed fight 8-4 btw. It wasn't close, but it wasn't a Lacy-Calzaghe type beat down. People's memories tend to be skewed by things like MAB slamming Naz against the ring post and presume he did that all night. He didn't...:doh:

Oh and the Youtube video was ridiculous. :shit:

MTF

 

You can go all the way back to fights prior to (and including) the Kevin Kelley fight to see Hamed look as amateurish and unskilled as he did against Barrera, even if he won the fights clearly.

Conversely, in his fight against Bungu just a year before Barrera, Hamed looked about as "good" (relatively speaking) as he ever did against as good an opponent as he ever beat.

The myth of Hamed declining just before he fought Barrera is exactly that... a myth.

 

Tszyu's best wins: Judah, Sharmba Mitchell (twice)

Tito's best wins: DeLaHoya (albeit controversial), Vargas, Reid, Joppy

Even if you disregard Tito's win over DeLaHoya, I still don't see what makes Tszyu's record stand out as better than Tito's. Vargas (Tito's best legitimate win) fell short of greatness, but so did Judah (Tszyu's best win).

And as mexican wedding shirt pointed out, the fighters that beat Tito (Hopkins, Winky, even DeLaHoya if you want to consider him) were a cut above the ones that beat Tszyu (Hatton and Phillips).

Having said that, I'd say both were better than Hamed IMO, in terms of both career legacy and (especially) fighting ability.

 

The most overrated fighter in boxing history? The man lost one fight in his career......brutally KO'd many quality fighters and you make that ignorant statement?

You are one dumb fucker.

 

The thing is, I think people generally had an idea how to beat him, but when Trinidad was on top it was very hard to do. Mainly because of Trinidad's power and stamina. You need excellent movement, defense and a goob jab.

That and Trinidads best weight seemed ot be juniour middle. Vargas did well in spots, but didn't have the skills or mental discipline to pull it off.

 

Referring to Fade to Black's question...

Anthony Stephens was a pretty talented, but mediocre fighter who showed some flaws in Tito that dlh later developed. The thing about Tito is that even when he got knocked down or had a few problems, it seemed inevitable that his pressure, power and handspeed would get the job done because it kept getting the job done.

It made it easier for me to think that guys like Joppy and Reid would have a chance rather than Vargas or Hopkins. Well, Hopkins certainly proved me wrong, but I don't think Vargas did any better than Reid.

 

All 100% correct.

Hamed was a fucking 3 to 1 or 4 to 1 favourite ::

I couldn't believe it. Easy money.

And yes, Barrera was the underdog, barrera was moving up in weight, barrera was considered past prime.

 

No you are one dumb fucker Explosivo, everybody knows it too.

As clear as the sky is blue, you are a complete retard.

I've wondered before if you're a troll actually, some of the absolute nonsensical crap you come out with.

Hamed - considered one of the best P4P fighters in the world, was protected by Werren and Riath, fighting only C class fighters, old former champs, bums, smaller fighters etc. Still struggled with them and regularly looked amateurish.

Was forced by HBO to fight a world class fighter who wasn't shot in barrera, was a 3-1 favourite, got his arse kicked for 12 rounds, was SHITTING himself before hands, bottled his trademark rope flip, and then after the fight had the mentality of a journeyman.

"He didn't stop me, I lasted the distance, I am so proud" ::

Hamed would have never beaten barrera and he fucking knew it.

He then went and hid in a cave, because he had been found out.

He never belonged anywhere near a P4P list, he lost BADLY to the only prime, A class fighter he fought, and then effectively retired.

So yes, he is the most overrated fighter ever.

The fact that you still think he's a great fighter just shows how fucking thick you are, you stupid cunt.

 

was Naz's fight with Barrerra really that one sided?

if i remember it was a 8-4 type of flight......and he didn't absorb much punishment at all

not sure where this "one-sided beating" myth comes from

 

It was not an 8 to 4 type of fight, hamed won 2 rounds tops.

He's lucky he wasn't stopped.

Barrera just gave him a casual beating, it looked effortless. If he'd stepped it up, he would have stopped hamed.

Hamed looked like he didn't even belong in the same ring as Barrera.

The Space Monkey was utterly exposed.

 

The problem with Hamed is that his skill could not back up his cockiness. He thought he was better than he actually was.

Another issue was that he knew, regardless of how he was doing in the fight, he had one-punch KO power and could end it at any time. I think this is the reason he looked lethargic at times.

With all that being said, at least he had a personality and was fun to watch.

 

I don't dispute any of this. My comment about Tszsu>Tito is biased and I readily admit that. However, the difference between the two is not as big as some believe it to be.

The ODLH win is hard to put into perspective. Oscar dominated and the just stopped throwing punches. He essentially gave that match away.

Also, at the time those fights took place, Judah was every bit the win that Vargas was.

 

I had Hamed winning three rounds. Giving four to him would have been possible but I also wouldn't disagree if hamed had gotten only one round. So it wasn't close at all.

HOWEVER Hamed was not close of being stopped either. He never was even down nor was he badly hurt after the first round. He did take many shots there but kept going on pretty easily. Also there was a reason why Barrera did change his tactics from the normal and did not go for the finish. Put your hate aside even for a second and you understand that.

Barrera's style was supposed to play right in Hamed's hands. Barrera masterfully changed his approach and Hamed had no idea what to do with it. He tried his normal dirty tricks some but Barrera kept his cool