David Haye challenging Wlad video clip

Bang on. If more people had Dave's attitude, boxing would be even better than it is.

And you're right, this attitude is a far cry from space monkey, slappy and manchester hold'em.

 

:bears:

 

Who the fuck is Potvkin??::

 

Umm, Toney WON a belt (except for his steroid charge) and he was a former middleweight. Jirov didn't have one shot power like Haye. Also Haye is physically bigger than either fighter. You really don't know much about boxing.

Haye is a good puncher, has decent size, and is young and hungry (unlike Toney and Jirov).

What other excuses do you have for Wladibum running away after being called a faggot? ::

 

Maybe the fact that this is not playground fighting? Shit, I will call Wlad a faggot if that secures me five million. Sorry, but IMO a fighter needs to do more than name-calling to get a title chance but maybe you have different views

 

Excuse #481: "It's just schoolyard talk."

Keep them coming Wladibum fans. :clap:

 

You misread it dummy. The excuse was that Haye has not proven himself. Talking like a schoolyard bully doesn't do the trick

 

Excuse #19: "Haye hasn't proven himself like Ray Austin."

This is great. ::

 

dsimon writes:

That is the thing with Haye that makes him quite a novelty. He is moving up on the strength of his punch and he definitely seems to have heavyweight size.

 

dsimon writes:

Lol::.

I mean yeah ok.... Haye has not proven himself.... does that mean that an interesting fight cannot be made exclusively on that basis? Most of this crop of heavies have proven themselves.... to be mediocre, vulnerable and incapable of one shot power.

 

:bears:

I love that people keep saying that Haye is 'unproven', too. I mean, he's only the unified, undisputed (don't anyone dare say 'Steve Cunningham') Cruiserweight champion. He must be a complete scrub...

Sure, he hasn't done a lot at HW. I mean, his only fight there lasted, what, 3 minutes and four KD's...

The way people are talking, you'd think the HW division was loaded with talent. It isn't. Not by any stretch of the imagination...

 

I don't think he is a scrub. I don't think anyone thinks that. In fact, I am a Haye fan.

To me, earning a shot at the heavyweight title would take at least ONE fight against a top-50 heavyweight. I mean really, is that too much to ask? Haye is an interesting figure for sure but just calling the champion faggot does not make him legit just yet.

 

dsimon writes:

That is partially because there are people who inadvertant, or otherwise, are encouraging the Klitchkos to increase their strangle hold on the division. When Lewis was champ Haye is exactly the kind of guy he would give a chance because he liked the challenge. Vlad is scard that he will get tagged and wants to avoid any fighter with a legitimate chance to beat him.

 

Great use of a straw man argument in this post.

 

Thanks!

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Perhaps you can find a parrallel in Lewis' career where, as a champion, he relinquished a title to fight a cruiserweight champion with no notable wins at heavyweight.

 

Umm Haye wants to fight TWO Top 10 guys while Wladibum knocks out his mandatories, he even offered that to Wladibum. Wladibum wouldn't even agree to that.

Wladibum is a scared pussy, how can you not see that?

 

If he does that and Wlad still won't fight him, they yu have a case and then I agree with you. However I think Wlad will fight him then, in this clip he just didn't go along with Haye's childish rants. Wlad does seem to have some manners, for some that is too much

 

Yes he danced with Ibragimov all night instead of punching him in the face, Wlad has great manners. ::

 

the loser cheated all night to grind out a victory against ibragimov. he's a scumbag.

 

Uhh. Mandatories are top 10, tard.

 

dsimon writes:

Talk about a straw man argument.... As though weight class is a consideration? Lewis fought a lot of up and commers I am sure you can think of a few of them. They were not all his mandatories... so unless your argument is that Lewis only fought mandatories I won't even waste my time mentioning some of the guys who lewis fought who were considered dangerous opponents but were not his mandatory.

I don't even know why you are arguing this it is ridiculous. Sure guys have earned a crack at Klitschko for the mandatory but Klitschko should have no problem disposing of a tough young egg to continue on his way right?

You talk like there is some great ethical need to give people a chance in line to fight Klitschko.... what about the ethical need of fans to see Klitschko fight somoene with a real chance of success? Potvkin has more experience at heavy weight.... big deal, he is not that much more experienced than Haye. Haye is in fact as others have said more than a few times a champion in his division. Your support of klitschko's safety first bullshit and the cabal he is involved with his equally dense and self centered brother is pure Bullshit Mitchell, there is nothing ethical at all about Vlad's fight choosing strategy. It is designed to benefit him at the expense of fans and God bless Haye for getting in his face and calling BS on it.

Your backing the wrong horse in this one dog....

 

Part of the problem with your argument is that Lewis wasn't in Klitschko's current position - i.e., "the man" or "the champion" in the division - until late in his career.

He didn't attain it until 1999, after the first Holyfield fight.

When he dropped the WBA belt to fight Michael Grant, instead of the WBA's mandatory John Ruiz, he was appluaded because people recognized that Grant was more proven at the time and had done more to attain public recognition as a challenger than Ruiz.

That's completely different than the situation currently.

The second time Lewis gave up a belt, it was when Chris Byrd was his IBF MANDATORY, and as much as I like and respect Lewis, I think he got it wrong in that situation. His claim at the time that Byrd offered no real challenge and nobody wanted to see fight.

He dropped the belt without another fight lined up. It was more about not fighting Byrd more than it was about taking another fight.

He did then enter negotiations with Vitali Klitschko's camp - who, get this, was his WBC MANDATORY...a position he got by beating Larry Donald - and that's a fight that carried less interest for many at the time, since the last time most Americans saw him fight, he was retiring on his stool due to a bad shoulder late in a fight in which he had a points lead against Chris Byrd.

Lewis ended up signing to fight neither Byrd or Klitschko, both mandatories, but a fighter viewed as even LESS DESERVING than either, in Kirk Johnson, with Lewis and Klitschko sharing places on a fight card and then meeting later on in December.

Frankly, Lewis didn't want any of those names, however...he preferred to fight Tyson again in a rematch that perhaps only he wanted.

Regardless, Lewis-Klitschko was pushed up because Johnson got injured, and I don't see how any of this is applicable to the Wladimir Klitschko situation.

Like it or not, Povetin and Thompson are both ranked in the top ten by almost every independent and respected ranking.

The Ring Magazine ratings, which I have plenty of complaints about but are generally accepted as one of the less biased/prejudiced since they're based on the votes of a panel of "experts", have Povetkin 5th and Thompson 9th.

A quick look around shows some similar positions on other rankings:

Fightnews has Thompson 5th, Povetkin 6th.

ESPN has Povetkin 5th, Thompson 10th.

Boxingtalk has Thompson 6th, Povetkin 7th.

They're both top 10 heavyweights, who've gotten there beating other heavyweights.

They're rightly viewed as deserving fighters.

And before you go on a rant about how bad the heavyweight division, perhaps you could go on another one about how great the cruiserweight division is and why, even with the weight discrepency, winning two cruiserweight title fights makes you a deserving mandatory for an immediate heavyweight title fight.

 

:: :laughing: Yeah, Klitschko is blatantly ducking a chinny CW champ who has two notable victories in favor of mandatories against an olympic gold medallist who has been fast-tracked to a title shot, and one of the most underrated and avoided boxers in the division in Thompson...yeah, that makes sense, quit while you're behind old boy :nono:

 

dsimon writes:

No fighter exists who simply fought anyone at any time... Except maybe Greb. All fighters compromise and pick fights according to a number of variables. You are trying to nitpick Lewis and you wind up affirming what a lot of people are saying on this thread in the process. Yes Lewis fought Tyson cause people wanted to see that fight...Exactly!! Yes Byrd's and Ruiz's style was such that Lewis did not fight them. Fans had little interest in those fights.

Again I don't care who is deserving! And yeah those guys do deserve their chance.... In the meantime make an exciting fight for the fans. Try this on: The fans are deserving of a heavyweight champion who will fight guys who are a legitimate challenge to them. KLitschkos reign is becoming like Mugabe's democratic process!

 

I will take a rare pleasure from watching Haye get sodomized by Wlad if they ever meet in the ring.

 

That is the thing. If you consider Haye, who is completely unproven as a heavyweight, as legitimate challenge, that's one take. However a solid case could be made that the actual heavyweight contenders are more deserving and thus more legitimate challengers right now.

 

Why?

Did you see Wlad's last fight?

I'm amazed he has any fans left.

That was one of the single worst, most frustrating, most pathetic performances I've seen from a world champion. It was Lewis-esque, but even worse.

I hope Haye demolishes Wlad, but unfortunately he won't, he'll get taken out in 4 or 5 rounds.

 

dsimon writes:

Who? :dunno: Klitschko is scouring the country for opponents.... This little article appeared recently:

Champ Shows Support for Mortuary Workers in Home City of Keive!

Kieve Ukraine. Heavyweight champion Vlad Klitschko shook hands and posed with the various Mortuary workers and Funeral home directors signing autographs in the process. Vlad said "these guys do a hard job, it takes a toll you know. They provide an invaluable service to me as I pick my opponents over here." the champ went on "If they don't have a pulse we will look at them." The champ took a moment to go over to a casket and engage in a staredown with his scheduled mandatory as Emmanuel Stewart looked on.

 

Incorrect, simon.

There was no interest in Ruiz.

There was interest Grant.

There was some interest in Byrd.

There was very little interest in Johnson at the time...or Klitschko.

Remember, the fights both were remembered most for up to that point was Klitschko retiring - or "quitting" as most American fans and media called it - against Byrd and Johnson getting disqualified against Ruiz.