Chris Byrd looks ripped!!!

How do U Figure???:dunno:

Roy Started GAINING Weight PRIOR to the Ruiz Fight, like November or So 2002...He Fought Ruiz N MARCH of 2003 then Sat on the Shelf, Trying to Make a HEAVYWEIGHT Fight...

Roy didn't Fight Tarver til November of 2003...All the While, he MAINTAINED his Heavyweight Body as he Unsuccessfully Pursued a Heavyweight Fight...5-6 Weeks PRIOR to the Tarver Fight is when Roy BEGAN the Weight Loss Process...

& AGAIN, Roy Cut MUSCLE, whereas Byrd was Cutting FAT...

Roy Gained & MAINTAINED the Heavier Weight for Nearly a YEAR Prior to CUTTING Weight...


REED

 

It Doesn't Enhance Roy's LEGACY, but it DOES Lend CREDENCE to him Being "Weight Drained" when he was Finally Beaten...

Some Thought Us "Roy Groupies" were Full of Shit when we INITIALLY Suggested that...


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Roy would have beaten Tarver soundly that night if he wasn't weight drained. That would have not led to a rematch with Tarver either.:doh:

 

Not to mention Jones never went up in weight as much as Byrd did.

Jones had to weigh in with his clothes on just to break 190 pounds (the contracted weight). Fabrice Tiozzo went up just as much in weight (and for a MUCH longer time), and proved that coming back down from that weight was no problem, even at age 35-ish.

The two situations (Roy's and Byrd's) are incomparable in almost every way.

 

You still are, if you think Chris Byrd's situation is comparable to Roy's.

 

it is not but i don't think anybody here is expert enough to tell that ONLY weight losses of fighters who carried the weight for years can effect you in a negative way - and therefore rule it out completely in Roy's case.

 

Tiozzo was fat at cruiserweight. It was easy for him to lose 15 pounds. He just had to do some road work and lay off of the cheeseburgers.

Roy, on the other hand, was quite muscular at the time he fought Ruiz. I recall that he weighed 192 without clothes. Roy is the type of guy who stays muscular rather easily. It's just common sense that he had a much more difficult time losing the weight than Tiozzo. It's not even comparable. ::

 

dsimon the guy was 16-2 with like 7 KO's. He is not a puncher by any means.

This was Byrd's doing, being weight drained and possibly shot, not Shaun George being a heavyweight killing beast.

 

Funny that no one was saying Tiozzo looked "fat" when he won the cruiserweight title with one of his best career performances.

I wasn't aware that you were buddies with both fighters and regularly gave them both percent body fat exams.

Thanks for your expert medical analysis, Dr. Irish. :bears:

 

No, it's not only how long, but also how much.

But the fact is, other fighters have gone up in weight the way Roy has and then come back down with little or no problem.

To be honest, I don't really have a problem with people using "weight making" as an excuse for struggling in the FIRST fight with Tarver, simply because any fighter can be not in his best shape for ONE single fight, for any reason... but to keep on using that same excuse every time the guy loses a fight is bullshit.

Especially when the guy just showed he can go all the way down to 168 with no problems. That should've put an end to this whole debate right there.

 

,he's shot man.He hasn't been the same since his fights with Holyfield and Tua.his speed and reflexes was his best asset,now there gone.

 

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If you can't tell the difference between Tiozzo and Jones just by looking at them, I don't know what to tell you. It's common sense, Einstein.

 

Most people will jump on this as a chance to do one of 2 things

1. bash boxing and say it is a dangerous and badly regulated sport

2. Say that the heavyweight division is shit...one of its best fighters just got KTFO at 175.

Only one of them is true. I'm surprised he was allowed to do what he did to himself at 175, and it puts to bed any notion that the man was ever a "blown up " middlweight. He's a heavyweight, plain and simple.

I as good as called it....35lbs of armour is too much. Chris was shot and spent a career at Hvy.....barring like 4 or 5 fights, and simply ruined his body further by draining a shell to make 175. It was UNNATURAL and WRONG. I hear he nearly killed hisself with a morphine shot afterwards.

PACK IT IN.

 

It's common sense not to pretend you've seen fights that you haven't.

If you didn't see Tiozzo when he moved up to cruiser, then you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

 

I'm not pretending. I've seen a few of Tiozzo's fights at cruiser. In fact, I have his rematch with Virgil Hill on DVD. He was soft in the belly.

 

The Hill rematch was not WHEN HE MOVED UP TO CRUISER. It was about 4 or 5 years AFTER he moved up, by which time he'd gotten lazy defending his title against nobodies.

When he first moved up to cruiser and when he won the title, he looked strong and fit at the new weight. And everyone generally agreed that he looked better as a cruiserweight than as a light-heavy. He had always been considered a light-heavyweight in a cruiserweight body.

By the time he decided to move back down in weight, I reckon he'd probably been fighting at that weight (and heavier) for close to TEN YEARS, and had long since settled into the weight (which Roy never did). It was FAR riskier for him to move back down than for Roy, and pretty much everyone agreed so at the time.

 

Tiozzo was always a big guy. Even at cruiser, he was hardly small. Hell, there was talk of him moving to heavyweight back in 1998, 1999.

 

Tiozzo always carried extra flesh. It wasn't until the later stages of his career that he dropped the flesh and got ripped.

 

U're Right, they AREN'T Comparable...There's NO Comparison btwn Losing FLAB & Losing SOLID MUSCLE...

F.Y.I., Roy Came INTO the Ruiz Camp Weighing 192lbs...Him AND Ruiz Both Said the Scales were "Off" When Roy Officially Weighed 193...U Can Even See Roy ASKING the Guy "Are U SURE?", when he Weighed In...That's Cause he KNEW what he Actually Weighed, Clothes or No Clothes...

Not Only that, But Roy Weighed 199 on Fightnight, Wearing NO Extra Clothing...


REED::

 

The NEXT Time U Say ANYTHING REMOTELY Complimentary Towards Roy Jones will B the FIRST Time...

HATER...



REED

 

There are some significant differences with Byrd and Jones.....Byrd hurt himself more by dropping the weight as he had weighed 200+ and fought at that weight for 10 years +. Jones on the other hand manufactured a microcosm of the Byrd situation- for me Jones body would have recuperated at 175 better than Jones, because Byrds body HAD NOT BEEN AT 175 for such a long period of time. And Jones getting KTFO by one punch happened 1 fight AFTER his return to 175. Sure, his body was dehydrated for the 1st Tarver fight, but not the second. Were his motor skills shot? Probabaly, but he wasn't dehydrated. Chris was shot, dehydrated and, neurologically speaking, badly damaged when he fought last night and the only thing which prevented him going out with 1 punch was the fact that he is a naturally tougher bigger man than Jones.

The two situations have similarities, but are not at all congruous to the extent that some folk are arguing.

 

Yep.

 

He was FAT. He was retaining......Doritos.

 

So you're saying Byrd has been carrying 25-35 pounds of PURE FLAB on his self in his fights for the last 15 years? All this time he was outboxing/outworking top heavyweights, he's been out of shape by 25-35 pounds?

 

Reed is pushing the boundaries of reasonable debate here.....but we all do it for our preferred fighters. Byrd was never, ever flabby. Ever.





Look at the shoulder muscles there...thats what he lost to make weight....


There he is beside holyfield, one of the most ripped men out there.



Looks pretty slim to me.


No way Byrd dropped 30lbs+ of fat. NO WAY JOSE

 

I just watched the fight.

Byrd looked utterly shot. He looked weak, slow, with no reflexes, and no legs.

However, George looks like a pretty good fighter.

Certainly in the early going he looked sharp, fast and skilled.

And strangely, he didn't look feather fisted either.

I think the reason he only has 7 KOs to his name is because he tends to lose concentration, get complacement, and never really step it up a gear.

After battering byrd in the early going, he only ended up stepping it up when he hurt byrd again in the 9th, then took him out impressively.

 

He doesn't fight guys who have been doing the Bobby Sands diet either.

 

When Vargas got KO'd by DeLaHoya.

But I like how you knew it was a Larry Merchant quote without even knowing where it was from. ::

 

:: I actually feel like a dick now that I'm reading how Byrd was hospitalized after the fight.

 

It was interesting hearing Nady talk to Byrd as/after he stopped it;
"sorry man, I think you overtrained..."