Looks Like It's Calzaghe-Jones...

you know.. as much as I have seen that Joe is the goods.. Roy really is something special and he dominated Tito and really could have KO'd him at will IMO..

I say he'll dominate Joe too..

Roy is just crazy fast.. even now..

his pace has slowed for sure and he sits and pot shots a lot.. but you know what? Roy likes guys comin at him.. Joe would and joe has never been hit as fast or as hard/Sharp taht Roy will hit him.. he'll be suprised and dropped

 

MTF - so glad you joined us.

Agreed. But what are you saying? That Calzaghe is world's better? No one's arguing he isn't. Jones used Ajamu and Hanshaw to practice. Just watch the fights again - it's amazing watching Jones do things he never did in his prime. Then again, he never had to.

Bottom line is, we don't know what Jones can do against an elite fighter because he hasn't fought one yet. That doesn't mean he's no longer physically capable. The last time I saw him against one (Tarver III), his only problem was mental. Physically, he looked like he could've beaten Tarver if he showed any gonads.

Some respect? WTF are you talking about? This isn't about Joe Calzaghe getting some respect, it's a f*cking fight and I believe Jones will win. Sh*t, I'm on the Pavlik threads trying to explain the utter ridiculousness of believing Kelly Pavlik can beat Joe Calzaghe. But styles make fights my man and Roy Jones is more Bernard Hopkins than he is Kelly Pavlik.

Roy Jones' legs aren't what they once were. In fact, I don't think they can go more than a few rounds. His reflexes are much slower too - he is vulnerable when his back ISN'T against the ropes. Against the ropes, he doesn't have to use his legs does he? Or try to leap out of the way. No. He just has to keep his hands up and block.

It's funny, if I were Roy Jones, the last person I'd fight is Kelly Pavlik. Jones can't lean against the ropes versus that monster and his legs will be finished by round three if he tries to dodge those missiles in the center of the ring. I smell early KO for Pavlik--the same Pavlik I think Calzaghe smashes. But Jones won't have that problem against Joe. He'll lose the first couple rounds, pick up a couple in the middle but it won't be long before Calzaghe bulls him towards the ropes so he can go to work. Jones can and will do what Hopkins couldn't, counter with hard shots often. And he'll work the body.

Once Jones' hands start to slow, he's finished. But as long as he keeps the very thing that separated him from the rest of the pack, he'll always have a shot. Adjustments can be made to the rest of his game - and he's done that. You guys underestimate Jones' hunger--he's not gonna fold. In fact, he's gonna rise to the occasion.

 

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borderline is generous:stir:

 

It looks like the board is 50/50 on this one. It makes for good discussion and the fight usually turns out good too.

 

this fight should not be sanctioned, Calzaghe by TKO, after winning every round

 

Calzaghe does a Glen Johnson on Roy.
I think he finishes him sooner
Speaking of which thats the fight that should be. Calzaghe-Johnson

 

Calz should win.... but I dont discount Roy's chances completely. I DO believe that Roy will have his moments, and they'll be a few rounds that he completely outboxes Joe, but those rounds will be too few IMO.

 

nuuurrrrrr...

another nail in boxing's coffin

 

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would you ever pick joe calzaghe to win, against anybody? ::

 

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What I am saying is quite obvious. Jones' superior ability allows him, even at this last, faded stage of his career to compete on good terms with average fighters and shot, inactive former greats. This has no bearing whatsoever on his ability to fight an ELITE fighter who, although also beginning to decline, is starting to put a finish to a resume which has rightly been questioned until he stepped up to the mark and proved his class.

If Roy had beaten, say Johnson or someone of that sort of calibre, then I might concede that he has shown that his brutal defeats were just blips. Beating journeymen and has beens does not count for SHIT.

Oh, but he has. The last time he fought an elite fighter was four years ago. And he got stretched. Then he fought Johnson, who isn't really an elite fighter but he is pretty sound and great to watch, and he got stretched again.

This was, I repeat, FOUR years ago. There is absolutely no logic IMHO in trying to believe that Roy has somehow IMPROVED over that intervening period. That just makes no sense at all... :dunno:

I wasn't specifically addressing you in this point, but I'll reply in any event. I DO actually think that Jones is a tougher style match-up for Calzaghe. Jones will fight off the back foot and it is that which causes Joe the most trouble. Calzaghe is essentially a counter punching fighter, and he struggles when he is forced to make the pace. I've already explained elsewhere why I think Kelly Pavlik is made to measure for Joe (though Kelly's skills and attributes give him a chance to make up for his stylistic problem).

You are right, and so is Joe King- styles do make fights. That is why a PRIME Roy would have beaten Joe to pieces, and even Joe himself has gone on record (in 2003, if I recall) saying as such. That I will not question. But you have to have the tools to carry out the stylistic plan- having the plan is not enough.

Hopkins had the perfect style to beat Joe, and based on what I saw when they fought, I'm pretty confident that a prime Hopkins would have beaten Joe. But THIS version of Hopkins failed, and THIS version of Hopkins is a far fresher, fitter and less declined fighter than Jones is. His reflexes are gone, his legs are gone- all he has left is hand speed, and people are talking like all he has to do is hit Joe and he will keel over. Nonsense. Joe has been dropped a handful of times in his career, and never been seriously hurt or dazed, let alone dropped. Mikkel Kessler was teeing off with uppercuts flush on Joe's chin in the fourth round of their fight, and he never dropped or looked like he was gonna drop Joe. The Hopkins shot was flush and a balance shot, but Joe was up and ready almost immediately- he wasn't hurt or in trouble.

His chin is one of his strengths, along with his toughness. They are very underrated aspects of his game- Calzaghe is one tough son-of-a-bitch.

There is no way Jones can just stand on the ropes blocking shots all night. Joe isn't a destructive puncher, but he is hurtful and will punish Jones if he tries to preserve his last reserves by retreating to the ropes. Even if he DOES land enough shots to worry Joe, Joe will just adapt and flurry his way to a wide UD like he did with Hopkins. He isn't dumb enough to fall for that.

We can do this all day, but neither of us will change the other's opinions. If this fight is made, I will take any sig bets and reasonable money bets in favour of Joe. It's as simple as that.

MTF

 

This sucksssss, and no, Roy ain't beating Calzaghe at this point. He's gonna get outworked crazy.

 

I cant wait till all these hasbeens FUCK OFF and let boxing get back to the business of making meaningful fights. Fuck Joe Calzaghe for this, FUCK HIM.

"He would have little to gain because I believe I would definitely beat him and, with respect to Gary Lockett, I would be a step-up too far for Pavlik."

Yes, Joe just keep telling yourself that. An unbeaten, rangey, powerpunching top 5 p4p fighter is a meaningless fight but a guy who passed over into shotsville 4 friggin' years ago represents a 'true megafight'.

Again, the sooner the 90's generation fuck off and stop hijacking the sport with this ongoing goodbye tour the better.

 

:bears:

 

I'll say one more thing after reading through this thread.....the OVERRATING of Tito Trinidad continues. People are giving Roy a serious chance against a p4per after watching him being splattered all over the ring by Tarver and Johnson, on the basis of what? A pitty pat sparring contest win over an also shot, fat, 1 dimensional Light Middleweight who never beat an A class fighter in his puff. We all acknowledged at time that that fight was a total farce! Yet it's achieved it's desired effect nevertheless - it's made about half the serious boxing fans on this board take the winner seriously in fights with p4p contenders again.
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Fools! Jones is shot. Tito always sucked. Calzaghe is a ducking bastard for taking this fight who is taking boxing, it's fans and especially those of you stupid enough to pay for this farce up the ass bareback.

 

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The sound of nails being hit firmly on their heads is absolutely deafening...

MTF

 

I don't do money bets but I'm down for the sig bet. Perhaps have the "Yall Musta Forgot" video playing over and over again by your sn?

 

Deal. And I'm allowed to make my own sig at future date if I'm right? :dunno:

 

Of course. I was just joking about the Yall Musta Forgot thing (unless I find exactly what Im looking for) but we're on for the sig bet.

 

wow i remember jones begging to fight calzaghe on the post conference of BH vs calzaghe opcorn:

 

Joe is a piece of shit and I hope Roy or someone knocks him out

 

Damn I can't wait for Roy beat Joe's ass. Joe is so fucking sloppy and that is what will cause Roy to counter the shit outta his ass. Roy is gonna have the speed advantage the power advantage of Joe and he will be the bigger guy in the ring. And yes if Hopkins can put Calzaghe down with a counter which is all Hopkins has at this time in his career Roy will be able to smash his ass. And for those that claim that Hopkins is the refresher of the too is bullshit. Hopkins is fuken 43 the dude only throws 8 punches per round. Not only will ROy win this fight but he will make it look easy. For those that say anything I picked Calzaghe over Kessler and over Hopkins. But he ain't winning this one.

I'm taking all sig bets. Come one come all. I'll Holla 5000

 

hopkins was also able to knock down tarver, which jones jr never came close to doing. hopkins is simply a better fighter than jones jr at this point.

and calzaghe is better than both

 

ridiculous.

 

amen..

Roy is gonna smash that ass

 

This will be a huge event if promoted correctly...can't wait.

Hear from someone in Pcola that Roy's in UK working on the deal.

 

It's coming from Big Dawg Doggy Dog::

 

Stylistically this is a bad fight for Calzaghe.

Its going to be interesting to see how Calzaghe deals with somebody who is leagues faster than him (which along with workrate is the one thing his style depends on).

If Jones keeps this fight in the center of the ring, Calzaghe is toast.

 

I give Jones a real shot to win this fight. More of a chance than I gave Hopkins, in fact.

 

Why?