But he is a more skilled fighter than a boxer. So Yes, Anderson Silva does have more skill than a boxer. Its quite simple really.
Not enough skill to be a top level boxer apparently. Quite simple really. he wasn't skilled enough to be a boxer so he went to MMA.
But boxing is one Skill Man. He has elite skills in several different Styles. MMA isnt a style. Anderson Silva is a much more skilled fighter than any top boxer right now. Yes, Boxers have more skills at BOXING. Thats it. Thats the only fighting style they have better than Silva. Now lets say Silva takes away their ability to box? What other skills will they fall back on? No matter what they are, Anderson Silva is Elite and more skilled in them. So Yes, Anderson Silva is a much more skilled fighter than a boxer. Even the top boxer in the world.
..... Preach it when Anderson Silva can actually beat a boxer worth a damn because the truth is....he can't. Forget top level boxers, he lost to a bum. :atu: If he was good enough to be a boxer he would be. Guess what? He's not.
Why do you keep talking about boxing? I am talking about fighting. Are seriously not understanding? Anderson Silva is a much more skilled FIGHTER than the top boxer in boxing. SIMPLE.
Boxing skills are part of being a fighter. Period. The fact is he can't hang in boxing. If he could he would, considering top level boxers make more than him. It takes less skill and talent to be a mma fighter than boxer.
This is where your understanding is lost. You keep talking about MMA and Boxing. What do those have to do with anything? We are talking about a boxer and an Elite Fighter. Its simple. You put Fedor in a Room with Lennox Lewis, Prime for Prime, and Fedor wins. Fedor has more skills than Lewis. This isnt about Boxing and MMA. Boxing has its bums and MMA have thier bums. This is about Skills. Being The top FIGHTER in the world. Ali, Lewis, RJJ they were never considered the Top fighters in the world. NEVER. They were considered the top boxers. Again, because i think you are a little slow. This is about Skills. Fedor, Silva, Penn, Courture, Jackson, Henderson, etc. They have more SKILLS. They have all around fighting Skills. Fighting skills that take YEARS to master. I am not talking about Bums. You are obviously no fan of MMA, so look those guys up.
..... Actually I know more about MMA than you. The fact is you get MMA guys who start later and who can make it because the fact is MMA fighters are less skilled and less talented. As I mentioned NONE of them could make it in boxing or else they would considering the pay level difference. it takes more skill to be at the top of the sport than mediocre at a bunch of them.
BTW "Godfather" I would have to say you ae the slow 1. If you take a look at what I was debating it was the fact that a boxer wouldn't be as competitive at MMA, as an MMA fighter would be in boxing. For some reason you quoted my post about shit I wasn't even talking about. :notallthere: An MMA fighter in boxing isn't shit.
Godfather, you're getting this utterly wrong. Boxing is not "one skill" it's actually one "discipline". And within that disipline, there are many different skills that factor into being a good boxer. Clearly Silva didn't have that much skill in boxing, otherwise he would probably be a top boxer now, enjoying the much higher purses than MMA. World class boxers are more skilled than world class MMA fighters, it just so happens all their skills are focused on one discipline, rather than a few.
Saying boxing takes more skill then MMA, is like saying cooking steak takes more skill then cooking steak, lobster, chicken, fish, vegetables and dessert. TFK
No. Actually saying boxing takes more skill than MMA is like saying it takes more skill to perfectly cook a cut of Kobe beef fillet steak with a perfect bearnaise sauce, than it does to cook a bigmac, fries, chicken nuggets, and coke.
Penn's boxing is actually pretty good. Freddy Roach has said as much. Roach said Penn's boxing is as good as any MMA fighter he's ever trained with. I also think Jackson's boxing is very good for an MMA fighter. He's trained with Shane Mosley before
Right, in comparison to other MMA fighters. Jackson only throws one punch at a time, he's no amazing boxer.
Same as Penn, he has a very basic jab right hand, only better technique than other MMA fighters. He's not overly accurate or fast, no feints, no parries, no combos, not much punch variety. His hand techniques pale in comparison to a world class boxer.
You basically described an MMA fighter as a top level boxer that can do a bunch of other stuff at an elite level. ::
Well thats I'm pretty much saying, in comparison to other MMA fighters their boxing is pretty good. Jackson actually does throw combinations (from what I saw in the Forrest fight) and he has some VERY good head movement. He threw jabs, right crosses, threw to the body and threw uppercuts. He even floored Forrest with an uppercut in the first round. I'd say his punch variety is adequate to good. I disagree that Jackson is not fast as well. As far as parrying and feints I would agree, Jackson and Penn don't have that ability. I would also add in counterpunching. However is that fair? There are a lot of pro boxers I see who have limited punch variety (eg:Mickey Ward), or don't feint (eg:Juan Diaz) or parry (eg:Hatton), and these are world class guys (except for Ward). I don't think you can knock these guys for that when theres quite a few pro boxers don't do this well or do it all. Penn does throw combos, just not often. Against Sherk whose standup is not good at all, all he had to do was just use the jab, which was enough. His combos are not as refined as a pro but he does throw them a lot better than average MMA guys.
I didn't finish your post, but that's 100% wrong. The one thing I noticed about Jackson in that fight was how he was basically just a really crappy boxer when he was standing up, stiff neck and not throwing in combination.
Well, I'm going to try and watch the fight again to see if I missed something, because I saw Jackson throwing quite a few combinations in that fight. Also can you clarify what you mean by "stiff neck"? Should he have been moving his neck in some way? Your'e usually using your body (particularly your waist) to create head movement and slip punches, which was what Jackson was doing.
the baddest man on the planet is no longer the heavyweight boxing champion, it is most likely the heavyweight MMA champion
How does an Elite Boxer have more Skill than an Elite fighter? Even in simple Debate form, the fact the Fighter, knows more skills, even a bit of boxing, rules the Fighter has more skill. Which is basically the whole aregument. 99% of the MMA fighters arent on the same skill level of the top boxers out there. But that 1% has more skill. The amount of Dicipline, Training, Education, etc., learned is not comparible. You know whats coming in Boxing. The guy will either punch fast, punch hard, defend good, run, cover up, etc. You never know what will come with a straight up fight. And to be elite in that aspect. To be elite in fighting? Thats unbelievable skill. Especially someone Like Fedor who doesnt lose.
Saying that MMA artists are more skilled than boxing because it incorporate a wider range of discipline is like saying an handymen is more "skilled" than an engineer, a very simpleton way of seeing things. Of course they are more versatile than boxers but are far from boxers striking wise. And getting decent\good in a discipline doesn't take a lot of time, but getting elite in it requires a lifetime.
Penn boxing is pretty shitty, that tells you how cluelles most MMA fans are regarding to boxing or others core discipline.
Considering that a steetfight is on concrete and not a soft surface made for grappling, that urban clothing hinders very much, and may very well make it impossible to use, kicks, knees, ju-jitsu,... well pretty much every skills apart punching (boxing) or to a lesser degree, wrestling, and that on a streetfight you are allowed to avoid a take down by hanging to something, I'd be pretty confident in picking the boxer the majority of the time.
