..... Oh and LOL at bringing a guy like Rickson gracie in this thread. yeah good idea don't compare him to Chuck lidell. I agree with that because the difference is Lidell actually fought elite fighters. Gracie "fought" trash. Like professional NBA team going against high Schoolers, yeah that's real impressive.
^^ I can't stand Rickson Gracie, he is probably the most arrogant guy in all of combat sports including boxing. Claims to be invincible but doesn't face the best fighters to prove it. I heard once that Bas Rutten challenged him publicly in the ring and he backed down.
You should rent a Documentary called Choke. I think you will like it. You can see rickson's training. Its crazy shit. Comes off more likable as well.
I know. I mean FUCKING HELL, seriously, comparing Corrales and Castillo to Gatti and Ward is as ignorant as it gets. 2 of the best, most skilled/talented infighters of the modern era, compared to 2 popular, glorified club fighters in Gatti and Ward. I actually gave Trplsec more credit than this, I'm surprised. That's the sort of thing I expect from an MMA fan that is a complete boxing know-nothing.
Again, you miss my point. I never compared the talent level of Ward-Gatti or Corrales-Castillo. What I stated was that boxing fans prefer brutal brawls over boxing contest. I could have thrown out Hagler-Hearns or any great slugfest in history. It's not comparing the talent of the fighters. It's comparing the preference of brutality over beauty. Period.
:: Are you serious? Other than the hook to the body, Chico was better at EVERYTHING on the inside. He threw shorter, tighter shots... with both hands. He hit harder and he beat better fighters. He had a great hook, great straight right hand, and he worked uppercuts in nicely too. Ward had one move, hook to the body. Chico threw punches with WAY more skill than Ward. The evidence is on the films and on his record. Chico beat way better fighters You don't honestly believe that Ward could compete with Castillo on the inside, do you? Chico also won world titles in two weights fighting on the inside. Again, are you serious?
I can't believe he even asked that. If one needs to ask that, it's maybe not even worth explaining, it should be absolutely obvious. Corrales has shorter, crisper, faster shots, a larger array of punches, an incredible, devastating counter left hook that could put guys on their arses from 6 inches away. He also had much, much better timing and accuracy. Basically his whole offensive and infighting game was leagues ahead of Ward's. Ward had one good punch, a left hook to the body, that's it. Other than that Ward was average offensively. The proof is in the pudding, Corrales beat world class fighters and won titles with his inside game - Ward didn't. Simple as that, they are not even comparable. It's not like he was more successful than Ward because he has a better chin, or better stamina etc - quite simply he was a far more talented and skilled fighter. And to answer the question directly... Answer - the majority of Chico's fights.
Diego beat world class fighters with his infighting? WHO??? He beat Casamayor boxing on the outside with a jab He beat Frietas after Frietas got tired and Corrales caught him The only good not great fighter he beat on the inside was castillo. And even that was questionable since he was given so much time to recover. He was still down twice and almost out. What made corrales leagues above ward? The man was knocked out or on the floor against top opponents many times.
How about everyone he knocked out at 130? I won't go back and forth with you on this. To steal a line from TFK, if you can't see that Corrales is a better, more dangerous in-fighter than MICKY WARD you haven't been paying attention.
..... Mickey Ward couldn't even beat Antonio Diaz on the inside. :: There's a reason most guys tried to fight Corrales from a distance. The guy's power on the inside was sick. It didn't take much distance or anything else for his punches to fuck a guy up. The same can't be said about Mickey Ward.
He may be better and more dangerous, but he isnt leagues above him. And who are these great fighters that Diego beat on the inside? I am still waiting for that.
I just dont think Corrales was a great fighter. He had a weak chin, his defense was terrible. He didnt have many significant wins. He actually lost more big fights than he won. Corrales vs. Castillo was a slugfest. There was no boxing in that fight. Two guys put their heads down and slugged.
.... Yeah beating Casamayor,Castillo and Freitas is no big deal. He was pretty mediocre. Wow, talk about ignorance. Actually I am starting to see why some people are MMA fans, they don't know shit about boxing.
Out of those three, he only beat Castillo fighting on the inside. Also, he caught Frietas after frietas gassed from boxing his ears off. Lets also mention that Cassa beat him twice. Castillo also knocked his ass out in the second fight.
You can mention whatever you want to but the fact is he has a win over Casamayor,Castillo and Freitas. Mickey Ward and Gatti have never beaten fighters as good as those. They got there ass whipped by that caliber of fighter. Did you even pay attention to the Freitas fight? Corrales did some good body work that helped Freitas get tired on the inside. Of course Freitas ran like hell and Corrales walked him down. Freitas wanted not part of an inside fight. You have any idea why that might have been? :notallthere: Corrales knocked guys the fuck out with punches that didn't travel far. This isn;t rocket science.
Fact: He didnt beat Freitas with Inside fighting Fact: He didnt beat Casa with Inside fighting other than Castillo what top level fighter did he beat with inside fighting? And even Castillo was beating his ass until he got 30 seconds to rest.
These threads just make my stomach turn. They are two totally different sports. The boxing in MMA is sub-par at best. Boxers would lose in a streetfight to a MMA fighter. Sure. Great. Now everyone can go back and put there BJ Penn and Floyd Mayweather underroos back on and live in peace.
Fact, he wore Freitas down with inside fighting and beat Castillo infighting. If you actually pay attention Castillo dropped Corrales when they were on the outside in the first fight BTW. Once again, these are A level fighters that Corrales won some and lost some to. What A level fighters did Gatti and Ward beat? Hell they got outbrawled by C level fighters. Corrales and Castillo both showed sfillfull infighting but you don't know boxing well enough to notice apparently.
He didnt wear freitas down with no inside fighting. Freitas wore himself down. Thats not even a dispute. I am not saying that Corrales and Ward are on the same level. I am saying that thier infighting is not WORLDS apart. Corralles isnt an all time great. He got a lucky break against castillo who had him beat. A 32 second breat won that fight. And IMO Freitas beat himself. If Freitas had anything in the tank, he would have won that fight. Freitas gassed and got beat. Diego didnt touch him until freitas slowed down.
I'm not getting into the who's the best infighter debate, but anyone that calls Diego an "All Time Great" is giving him far too much credit because he's dead.
:: at this thread. Micky Ward is not as good an infighter as Corrales, all he has is a decent left hook to the body. That's the main reason why Diego is a 2 weight champ and Mickey Ward has never even beaten a fighter the caliber of Manfredy, let alone Castillo, Freitas or Casamayor. All of Chico's wins came from his world class inside game, apart from the Casamayor rematch, where he mainly fought at a distance. Corrales had a much wider array of punches than Ward, better timing, better accuracy, faster hands, was better at getting into position, didn't need to set his feet to punch, and had far, far better punching technique - shorter, crisper, more compact punches. It's like comparing Trinidad's technique to Mayorga, there is no comparison. And anyone that doubts Corrales is a better infighter than Ward should really stop watching boxing, and move exclusively to MMA. Or maybe even wrestling.
Nobody said he wasnt better, its just not worlds apart. And every win didnt come from infighting. His freitas win wasnt a result of in fighting. And lets talk about his loses. How many fights did he lose with his infighting?
