I hope Cotto makes a good comeback

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  1. Rainmaker

    Rainmaker "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    The guy is an exciting fighter and he has a large fanbase. He is good for boxing. I hope he makes a far better comeback than Trinidad.
     
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    Hex-One "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    He took a beating towards the end. I also hope he does make a good comeback.
     
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    LEGENDARY Leap-Amateur

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    I don't know i really hope he recovers mentaly from this one,he was beaten mentally,physically,and his spirit was destroyed.
    I hope he does really does come back.
     
  4. Hanz

    Hanz Roberto Duran

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    Nobody ever recovers fully from a beating like that. Cotto will never be the same again.
     
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    Hex-One "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    I agree cuz. You kept pointing out the size difference and Saturday night asnwered your biggest concern. Margarito was just too big and strong. Unlike Tito, Cotto didnt have the firepower to back him up. That ultimately spelled disaster.
     
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    Hex-One "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    I agree. :(
     
  7. monkeystyle

    monkeystyle Undisputed Champion

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    I'd be surprised to see him come back. It's got to be demoralizing when you hit someone with your best punches, and it doesn't even fazed the guy...

    It was a true beating if I've ever seen one.
     
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    Maybe he comes back even stronger and more determened.
     
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    adamiw Undisputed Champion

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    I think he'll be ok....he didn't get schooled or outclassed in there....he fought a force of nature......he boxed very well for a lot of the fight, but Margarito's pressure was too much in the end.......there isn't another fighter in or around the welterweight division who can fight with margarito's intensity and resilience.......it's not like someone can look at the fight and say....'oh i know what to do now'.....they'll most probably get knocked out

    he's a class act, and as long as this hasn't taken anything out of him physically (....he's young, not taken too many shots in the past) then he should be ok
     
  10. Hex-One

    Hex-One "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    So I guess the question will be, if he does make a comeback should he try to avenge his loss? Or should he avoid Margarito for good? I honestly think Toney is just to big.
     
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    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    Cotto will come back.......one or two get your mojo back fights...maybe against Soto Karrass or Isaac Hlatswayo then one of the other top 5 Clottey/Cintron/Williams..probably Clottey since he probably won't want to get in with someone much taller than him too quick...THEN REMATCH MARGARITO in 2009....
     
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    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    Rematch MARGARITO....
     
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    I agree I want the rematch as well. Cotto must find a way to land the body shots though or he's screwed.
     
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    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    Or work on on improving his stamina......Margarito didn't start landing on the 20's till Cotto started tiring...plus fight in the middle of the ring..liek his uncle told him to keep the fight...turn him..sometime he would just go to the ropes..even if he had space to more to his left...
     
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    I agree but Cotto must find a way to back Tony off. Cotto has the talent to beat Toney but he must do it for 12 rounds. He must land what made him, THE BODY SHOTS!
     
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    holler WBC Champion

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    Cotto should avoid Margarito like the plague. He needs a couple gimmes to get his confidence back up then a fight against a guy like Baldomir who can test his stamina and heart before he even THINKS of Margarito again.
     
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    I think he'll be back.

    He really already had his Barrera moment (from almost purely offensive fighter to more of a boxer) in the Mosley fight, something he continued in the Gomez and Margarito fights.

    I think he might continue that transformation to more of a boxer after this fight.
     
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    Why wouldn't he?

    He's already said it's not the end and that he will be in the ring before the end of the year.

    People have to get over the blood. Cotto bleeds very easily - especially around and inside the mouth; which by the way, bleed profusely when cut.

    He did take a beating in the last 2-3 rounds (though he arguably won at least one); but the blood makes it look MUCH worse than it really was.

    Other fighters have taken far worse beatings over 12 rounds and come back fine.

    Miguel is young, strong, and hasn't taken many beatings over his career.

    The most important part is mental, not physical. And I think he will be back in fine form - he seems to be pretty strong mentally.

    We'll all know the next time he's in the ring and he gets clocked with a good punch...punch resistance is largely often mental too. I suspect he'll be fine.

    Cotto fought a great fight. I am not sure he can ever change the result...Margarito is exactly the type of fighter made to beat Cotto. Boxers won't...nor will less powerful opponents, even with more skill. It's like Tszyu - the way to beat him is to run him over.

    That said, I don't think Cotto helped himself by going to the ropes so much. That put him right at the end of alot of Marg's best shots - parried or not - and it allowed Margarito to get off even when getting hit.

    Cotto should have employed tight circles at center ring. And in spots, tried to push Margarito back and/or force him to re-set. The few times he did this - Margarito couldn't adjust and was uncomfortable. Letting Margarito stalk you is a very, very tough fight to fight.

    I also felt Cotto should have used his jab MUCH more than he did, and doubled and tripled up on it...vs single shots. When he used his jab, it had the effect of a power punch and stopped Margarito, who covers up and then resets to march forward.

    Lastly...Cotto's body attack was simply absent. He needed to invest heavily in the body, especially early when Margarito hadn't yet picked up steam. Staying in tight circles at center ring would have allowed him to do that....and Tony doesn't react well there nor does he pivot and punch well at all.

    I expected Miguel to fight off the back foot - I did not expect him to live on the ropes as much as he did...that is eventual suicide vs. Margarito.

    But having said all that....I wasn't in there taking the shots, and Margarito simply bent Cotto to his will.

    And I don't know if Cotto has the stamina to employ the tactics above...then again, he'd save himself alot of footwork - and he could sit on his shots more.

    The corner has said that the nosebleed affected his breathing from the 2nd round on.

    I expect him to be back.

    Peace.
     
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    Good post, do you think Cotto should go for a immediate rematch?
     
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    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    good post...:bears:..Margarito was walking Cotto down..he was throwing jabs but only 9-10% of them landed...Cotto would just went to the ropes...got out and went into a corner...got out fought a few second in the middle of the ring..jab/right hand Margarito didn't do much in those moments but cover up...then back to the ropes for Cotto. Plenty of times Cotto had the space to move to the right or left but decided to go to the ropes..

    whatever...a gimme fight..maybe in November/December..then maybe a top 5 Welter in Feb/March.....

    and a few less punch-up with the weights...and more workouts to improve his stamina...
     
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    It was mind boggling how Cotto didn't go to the body after it was clear the heads shots weren't going to do anything for him really early in the fight.

    I don't think it was a brutal beating, but just the way Cotto quit made it look pretty damn bad.
     
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    It was the blood. He looked horrible. Problem is he cuts/bleeds easily - especiallly around the mouth, which always bleeds profusely. Makes it look much worse than it really is.

    I guess you could say he "quit" - I never would - but it seems he simply didn't have anything left. :dunno:
     
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    Yeah - that kind of strategy requires Cory Spinks-like stamina. And Miguel Cotto is no Cory Spinks. Really, there's not much else he could've done--I knew he was in a heap of sh*t in round two. I wonder what Floyd thought of Saturday's bout.
     
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    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    Cory Spinks stamina? :dunno: Cotto can improved from what he did in this fight...he could go into the ropes less....keep the fight in the middle of the ring..where Margarito wasn't doing much..even inthe early rounds when Cotto went to the ropes he was countering Margarito with uppcuts/left hook..Margarito even hesitated at time while Cotto was on the ropes....
     
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    spinks stamina was stellar vs karmazin and judah
     
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    LOL. By Spinks, I meant the ability to :hammert: for 12 rounds.

    I just don't think it's easy to stay in the center of the ring against Margarito. I don't think Cotto really had much of a choice. I mean, Tony was bashing him along the ropes in the second and I think Cotto realized right then and there to stay the f*ck away from them. But eventually, he got worn down--you can't rest in the middle of the ring.

    I think Donny had it right--in order to beat Margarito, you've gotta steamroll him. Much like Tszyu, he works better when you're moving away. Paul Williams was able to stand his ground because he could fire off 1400 slaps in 12 rounds. And even he nearly lost. But what Cotto tried to do can only be done by the best of boxers, like a Floyd (and I'm not even sure about him).
     
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    agREED...

    Sometimes, when Guys Lose a Fight, that Bout Becomes a BLUEPRINT for Everybody Else to Follow...Margarita-Cotto WAS NOT 1 of those Cases...

    Margarita was Simply Tooooooo BIG & Toooooooooo BALLSY for Cotto...NO Other Welterweight Brings the Combination of SIZE & DETERMINATION that Margarita Does...Paul Williams has the Size but he LACKS Margarita's Sheer PHYSICALITY...

    Loooooooong as he Avoids Margarita, Cotto can VERY EASILY Resume Being @ the TOP of the Welterweight Division...If Floyd REMAINS Unretired, There'll B NO "Money" Options for Margarita & He'll Probably Move Up...

    @ the Point, REED Could See Cotto DOMINATING 147...



    REED:kidcool:
     

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