Klitschko on Haye: "I want to fight him and shut him up"

That's your basis.

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You disagree?

You don't think that the casual boxing fan is more interested in HW fights than other fights? ::

You don't think that the No.1 guys at CW and HW fighting each other makes for a huge fight? ::

You even think that this discussion would be taking place if a couple of minimumweights were bad mouthing each other and planning to fight? ::

Diss Haye if you like, note his faults if you so wish, but don't pretend for a second that this wouldn't be a HUGE fight, in terms of interest and cash, if and when it happens. That is what makes it worthwhile, if nothing else.

MTF

 

Name a bigger one since Vitali vs. Lennox?

 

Yeah, like people would demand that Pavlik fights Peter Manfredo or Vitali Tsypko before he can fight Joe Calzaghe. :notallthere:

 

There isn't one.

SURE, there are more presigious ones for the hardcore fan. I mean, I sat through the SNOOZEFEST that was Wlad v Ibragimov on the grounds that it was a unification, HW clash. On those grounds alone, it was a noteworthy fight.

But compared even to the HW fights of the 90's involving Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe etc, it was a complete public non-event.

This is what the people mocking this fight forget. In any other HW era, Haye would have been consigned to the margins, made to EARN his shot and to wait in line like the rest.

This is a UNIQUELY bad HW era, whereby anyone with half a punch can spark the best HW in the world clean out if he lands on the grounds that the best HW in the world has a glass chin himself. In these circumstances, and based on the fact that the division is a DEAD MANS division, the big punching CW champion becomes a point of interest.

Some people here would prefer him to wait in line whilst SKILLESS, CHARM FREE mooks like Valuev, Chagaev, Ibragimov et al line up to bore the living fuck out of the entire world. Why this is is absolutely beyond any logic I can possibly fathom.

Even if Haye gets KTFO, which with his chin is entierly possible, he is drumming up interest in a division left for dead when Lennox hung up his golves and started boring the shit out of everyone behind a mic. For that alone, he should be thanked.

MTF

 

Exactly :bears:

 

If this fight takes place in England, what kind of ratings you think it does on HBO?

Live or rebroadcasted.

Lets start there.

 

I have no idea.

Will it be any more or less than Wlad v A.N Other?

What did Wlad v Tony friggin Thompson dredge in at? The fighters families and a handful of others?

 

Do most middleweights add 20-30 pounds of muscle to move up to super middleweight?

 

Ballpark it for the rest of us.

 

Why? As I said, I have no idea, though based on the fact that most US audiences hadn't seen Haye until the Enzo fight, and considering that Haye sparked his man out in 2, I'd wager it wouldn't do any worse than Wlad v A.N Other in the States.

What I do know is that, in the UK, it would be ENORMOUS- as in on the scale of Hatton or Calzaghe enormous.

Also, you have to consdier that Haye is an absolute master of self promotion. You let him tour the US being his own, arrogant self, and people would tune in to see him ICED, if nought else.

Again, you are talking as if there are a series of HW Superfights to be had first. There aren't. That is the context of this and a very important basis for consideraqtion.

MTF

 

Most of the US audience was probably watching Peter-Maskaev that night.

 

They were? Really?

We can do this all night, but your basic premise is faulty; this is not some HW era of giants, this is a HW era of mooks.

In any other era, I'd agree with you in respect of Haye but in THIS era, there is nothing else more pressing that spings to mind. Wlad v Povetkin? :bhead:

I'm not even saying that I think he'll win- he has a live shot and thats it. But, again, he's drumming up interest in the HW division again. We hardcore boxing fans should be glad of this, rather, there are plenty who want to put Haye down before he's even tried his hand.

Are we really that cynical?

MTF

 

Are you aware of when the fight was actually broadcast in the US?

Showtime habitually gets significantly lower ratings than HBO, which had a good double header that was broadcast LIVE...with much more well known boxers in the US.

But yeah, I'm sure Haye's a household name in the States off that fight.

 

Valid Point:bears:...

Heavyweight Fights Draw SHIT Interest these Days...If Haye is Given the Forum to PROMOTE Himself, Peeps WILL Tune In & those that Didnt' will WISH they Did when it's Over...

WHY???...Because Klit vs. Haye GUARANTEES Fireworks...There's Absolutely NOfuckingWAY that Bout Go's the Distance...There's a REAL Chance that EITHER Man could Get KO'ed...

EARLY...

& that's JUST the Type of Fight to Drum Up @ Least a MODICUM of Interest N Today's Heavyweight Wasteland...

REED See's NO Downside WHATSOEVER N Haye Moving to the Front of the Line, to Take a Lick @ Klit...


REED:mj:

 

the Ukraininan dishwasher will be set home crying after Haye stretches him

 

I'm just the average boxing fan, and keep up with events on sites like this. Even though I watch all HBo and Showtime events, not to mention ESPn wnf and fnf , If it wasnt for this site and watching his last fight I wouldnt have a clue who Haye was. So yes you are right who the hell is Haye?????

 

people will know him after he knocks out your boy

 

....i'd like to know how many Haye fights a lot of you have seen....this thread is loaded with ignorance......is as if Haye never had a career at cruiserweight......and that he's only a puncher

......he's a very good technical boxer (he was a world class amateur), and quick too.....i'm reading that he'll be outboxed......sorry, look at that heavyweight top 10....its shocking

and on the point that he doesn't deserve a shot.....

1. He's not gonna fight Klitschko right away....he's having one fight first, and wait til the opponent is announced rather than assuming it will be a pushover.....Haye's choice of opponents to date has been pretty radical in british terms at least
2. It is not uncommon in boxing for a champion in one weight, to move up and fight the champion in the division above him.....
3. And who should be getting the shot?....Povetkin is up next, Peter is fighting the other bro.....who is so SO more deserving?....you may love him or hate him, but for those reasons you'll be more pumped for Klitschko-Haye than any other heavyweight fight that can be made....and for the short while that it will last, you'll be on the edge of your seat

 

dsimon writes:

The truth is that both guys are a long shot. If Haye gets blown out it is his responsability to react to that. At his age though it probably means he shouldn't be fighting heavy weight. He can't survive on his boxing skills in the division, he aint no Byrd! I mean yeah it is a low percentage fight for Klitschko, he won't get much for winning, but that is a function of the division right now and it is what he has to do to interest the fans. Yu take one for the team sometimes.

I could see your point if there were guys Klitschko was ducking to fight Haye. There are not. Surely you can see this point Mitchell? :nono: The problem with people who believe as you do about this situation is that they are not considering the context... this division sucks right now.

Oh and my comments about the German Robot? Lok gets me started I can't help it. Right now I want to say Klit you Ukranian dishwasher you!!

 

dsimon writes:

He seems to get tagged a lot A. Also he seems to fight for the chance to unload. Nothng wrong with that. Its just that it makes people question his ability to get in a chess match.

I also feel like the longer a bout goes on with Haye not catching his opponent the more it will work against him. On the other hand with his fast hands he could catch Klitschko and make it interesting.

 

:bears:

Put it this way, most of the people slating Haye in this thread will have seen a grand total of ONE David Haye fight; the Enzo one. His fight with Morrmeck was also broadcast in the States, but thats a bout it.

I know this to be the case because, prior to the Haye-Enzo fight, Mister REED let it be known that he'd NEVER seen either guy fight before.

Haye is predominantly a puncher who also happens to be very quick handed and has good technical skills. He gets hit a fair bit because he is constantly coming forward looking to load up his right hand behind his left jab, keeping his right hand perilously low at times.

That low left hand, along with a suspect chin and questions regarding stamina (which Haye claims to have addressed after the Thompson fight and which saw him coming on much the stronger against Mormeck after a poor start) are the main flaws he has as a fighter.

I also agree that Haye won't be picking a tomato can for his tune up bout. His ego prevents him from being properly motivated unless he perceives his opponent a big enough name and threat.

MTF

 

His fight with Mormeck was broadcast in the States?

There are downloadable files of his fight, or youtube versions, available of his fights dating back several years.

They are there for anyone who wants to see him.

 

Yes it was.

 

Which channel?

 

Some Offbrand Channel...

MSG or Something like That...A Station REED DOESN'T Get!!!


REED:crying:

 

Why are there so many assuming Haye will have this huge advantage in speed?

I don't see that being the case at all.

 

I don't think there is a big difference....Haye is the lighter man, but we don't know what effect the extra bulk will have on his speed.....Wlad, for his size, has very fast hands. It isn't so much a case of who is fastest, but just purely the fact that Haye is fast....Wlad's not use to fighting against that speed.....

But hand speed has troubled Wlad in the past, most notably with Sanders, who also had an awkward southpaw style to go with it

 

Haye's hands are at the very least as fast as Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster.

 

MTF

To you and any others who are pushing for this fight. The issue isn't that we want to put him down, its that he hasnt fought at heavyweight yet, so why should he get a title fight. It;s not that I want to put him doen before he's tried his hand, but at LEASY lets have him try his hand against a heavyweight before he gets a title shot. He is not a GREAT fighter, he is not Roy Jones. He is basically a nobody, who needs to do something beyond simply running his mouth to earn a shot.