Boxing Myths you just don't buy...

The myth that a lot of old fights were NOT fixed.

 

# of Fights ISN'T an Absolute Indicator of Superiority...

Who's Better???...Ray Leonard or Emmanuel Augustus???...Augustus has MORE Fights...

Today's ELITE Level Fighters Get those 1 or 2 Huge Paydays...REED Doesn't See Promoters & Networks Giving Millions of Dollars to SCRUBS...



REED:hammert:

 

How bout the myth that DLH-Hopkins was NOT fixed.

 

I'm sorry, but outside the heavyweights, how are lower weight fighters bigger and stronger today than in the past? And also, are they anymore talented? No.

Sure RJ was an athletic freak and stands out from EVERY other fighter in history in that regard.

But you had middlesweights, and welters, feathers from the 60's, 70's, and 80's who were every bit(if not moreso) as athletic, talented, skilled as the guys today.

Hell the most athletic heavyweight of all time is STILL Ali.

Boxing is different from the NBA, NFL, or most other sports.

Theres a clear differance in speed and athleticism from a guy like Dr. J, to Bron today. But its not so much like that today in boxing.

Boxing is different.

 

I don't think anyone actually thinks Shane was SCARED to fight Mayweather in the fall of 2006.

The prevailing belief is that his bosses, Oscar and Richard, wanted a PBF-DLH match.

 

Look @ Margarita, Brother X...He's Probably as Physically STRONG as Any Old School Welter EVER...He's 1 of the BIGGER Welters EVER, as Well...

Look @ Castillo @ 135...Or Chico @ 130...Those Guys were BIGGER & STRONGER than Lightweights & Superfeathers of Other Eras...

Ali was Soooooooooo Far AHEAD of his Time, he Shouldn't Even Count...But WHERE was the 6'5 Guys w/the COORDINATION of Wlad or Lennox, Back N the "Good Ol' Days"???...

REED ISN'T Saying that EVERY Contemporary Fighter BEATS Every Old School Fighter, but BECAUSE of Nutrition, Technology, etc., Athletes N General (INCLUDING Boxers) R Bigger, Stronger & Faster...

It's that Way N EVERY OTHER Sport...What Makes Boxing EXEMPT??...


REED:kidcool:

 

Weigh-in procedures play a big part I think, in the size and strength things.

Mosley, for instance, would enter a lightweight fight weighing around 150. Castillo was 147 for the Mayweather fights on fight night. Corrales also 147 against Mayweather, for an 130 lb fight. Cotto was 157 against Corley, for a jr. welterweight fight.

Guys have more time to recover and re-hydrate. Fighters will always cut weight, but how much weight is a fighter going to put on in 6-8 hours as opposed to 30 hours?

 

I wouldnt say thats due to modern technology REED, its simply due to the change in weigh-in rules, to 24 hours before.

If Margarita fought in the early 80's he'd be at least a jnr middleweight. Maybe a middle. Same with Williams.

For arguements sake however, I'll give you size and strength. But how are modern boxers faster? They're faster than the guys who fought in the 20's, 30's, and 40's yeah. And faster than some who fought in the 60's. But no faster than guys of the 70's, and 80's.

But the thing that sets boxing apart from other sports REED are things such as power, stamina, and chin. Those are things that certainly HAVENT evolved over the years in this sport.

 

A welterweight now is not necessarily faster than a welterweight of the past but keep in mind that the old-timer is clearly smaller

 

And likely dying of tuberculosis.

 

That Oscar deserved the W against Tito. :nono:

 

Reed yes,...:cheer:

 

Floyd retired undefeated.

 

he did.

 

Nope, he lost to Castillo.

 

doesnt matter. it was a close fight and the official verdict concludes mayweather won.

 

Boxing is a skill sport, thats why. Its not about bigger, faster, stronger, better, like it is with running, jumping and so on. Boxing skills survive as long as the trainers hand them onto the next generation and its then carried through via the ammy's and gyms across the world. It's not happening.

 

Of course it's not an absolute indicator, but it sure helps. Sugar Ray fighting the likes of LaMotta, Basilio, Turpin, Olsen, etc. more than once sure gives me a clearer picture than say Mayweather not fighting half the division he's in, or the split boxing bodies not willing/able to make unifications etc. because of what I originally said $$$$$$$.

It's not just the 150 fights either like you say, it's the level of competition like Robinson, or the other Sugar Ray for instance, he doesn't have 150 fights but he fought almost EVERYBODY of note at the high levels.

And comparing Augustus to Sugar Ray is a little ridiculous as they are clearly on different levels although I do admire Augustus's no fear attitude.

As for the evolution of the lighter weight fighters, here's a comparison:

You mention Castillo as an example of today's bigger, stronger, athletes so we'll use him:
Jose Luis Castillo in 2000's was 135lbs, 5'8
Barney Ross in 1930's was 135lbs, 5'7
Sammy Angott in 1940's was 135lbs, 5'8
Jimmy Carter in 1950's was 135lbs, 5'7
Ismael Laguna in 196's was 135lbs, 5'9
Rodolfo Gato Gonzalez in 1970's was 135lbs, 5'9
Alexis Arguello in 1980's was 135lbs, 5'11
Cesar Bazan in 1990's was 135lbs, 5'11

 

Certainly true, also it's a head to head competition, not competing against a clock. Not every athlete can box, it takes a special mix of attributes.

That being said if you take two guys with comparable skill levels but one of them is bigger stronger and faster?

 

I think REED was refering to how much Castillo ENTERED the ring weighing when he was a lightweight, which was usually 147-150.

 

Guys have a whole day to rehydrate now so that comparison is not going to fly. If Margarito had to weigh in the same day as the fight he's be fighting at a couple of pounds over the limit, not 10-15lbs.

 

Since Fraud groupies, took over the reigns of 'p4p lists' , we've had this mythical shit seap into boxing even deeper than people may realise, for example... "Floyd beat Jesus Chavez, yet Margarito can't even beat Daniel Santos, Chavez is a better fighter than Santos could ever dream to be"....:shit: whoops,...???... Who wins in the ring,.. Santos or Chavez, no spells to make them the same size I'm afraid, ... that kind've magic doesn't exist, and it's extraordinary, to have to remind Fraud groupies of that.

 

The verdict is not what is important in robberies, unless you want to say Lewis lost to Holyfield because of the "verdict". No one in their right mind, or knows anything about boxing is gonna tell anyone Floyd won that fight.

 

That possibility exists in one division and one division only and I take Ali, Frazier or Foreman over Wlad every single day of the week.

 

the myth that all fights' outcome are based on styles.

I agree sometimes that is the case. But some people use that theory as if the crappiest fighter can beat an elite fighter just because of styles.

alot of the times the talent prevails.

 

But WLAD is BIGGER, and went to college and doesn't appear in any black & white fight films....

 

So does that mean you believe the fighter who gets the official decision is always the fighter who deserves it?

 

Not when they got rid of the same day weigh-ins.

 

Why can't you get this. I am so tired of reading you write this. Try to remember elementary school. You need to compare apples to apples. No one is saying a crappy fighter will beat a good fighter because of styles. They are comparing fighters of a similar level. I won't explain this again. Pinche Pendejo.

 

hey maricon, some do say that a crappy fighter can beat a better fighter with the right style.

I also believe styles play a part in boxing. But the old saying "styles make fights" some people throw that shit around all the time like it matters on every fight.

It doesn't all the time. That is all.