Round by Round: Juan Diaz vs. Michael Katsidis

I am not big mike. I've always been mikE on boxing boards.

 

Which 3 did you/could you see giving to Katsidis?

 

Pick some rounds I was wrong in. There should be 4 or so you disagreed with me about.

 

Seriously... I've rarely seen such a disgusting broadcast. I thought it was a close fight personnally. I didn't see the domination they were talking about. Diaz won, but he wasn't as dominant as the broadcast team were making him to be. A lot of times, they called non-scoring shots as if they were scoring. At another point too, they showed the compubox counter and Diaz wasn't scoring with his shots but the counter was going up. At another point it was the contrary, but Katsidis was throwing and only one shot was counted. I didn't know Diaz was such a HBO boy now.

 

HBO are into helping you think a certain way. Its typical mass media methodology...yet its frightening how few people recognise it outside of us of the hardcore.

I had the fight 115-113 for Diaz, by the way.

 

Easy work for Diaz. His jab is one of the best in boxing.

 

Agreed, and he even among the hardcore fans, some seems to fall for it each and everytime they pull that, which is almost every fight nowadays.

 

No one is a bigger critic of HBO's unprofessional broadcasting. However, this was a dominant win for Juan Diaz. If you do not think so, you might need to re-evaluate your ability to score a fight. I think also allot of people need to re-evaluate their ability to judge talent. Katsidis is a terrible fighter. I retract my statement that he is poor man's Gatti. Katsidis is a glorified club fighter. He doesn't have the skill or talent to be competetive even with a fighter of DIaz's level.

 

Stop taking yourself so seriously Ike. You're no reference. I don't think anyone here logs to read your incredible insights. I say that with all due respect of course.

 

This has nothing to do with me. Honestly, some of the opinions about Katsidis and then the fight are poor for mainstreamers. You guys should know better. Honestly, getting fights wrong happens to everybody. I find it ironic that people who think that bum Katsidis was competetive are crying an Hbo foul.The truth is MK is putrid and he was throughly thrashed by a bottom level world class fighter. The bias is absurd.

I don't mean to sound like I am gloating which it seems you think I am. I know today that Diaz was not adversly effected by the beating Campbell gave him. Still, I could see no other way that Bum Katsidis could win outside of Diaz just losing heart. You really need to start taking some testosterone you are very effeminate.

 

I didn't even make a pick publicly so I wonder where you got the idea that I'm a sore loser. I just called the fight as I've seen it, period.

 

Well, they have free health care in Canada so maybe a trip to the eye doctor is in order. I would also recommend testosterone injections because you act like a woman far too often. ::::

 

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What is acting like a woman exactly?

 

I just imagine you weeping while you are typing. Who cares what I say. I barely do and you always seem to cry when I post something. I am sure you are a good person. Menopuse happens to the best of us. ::::

 

:shit:

2 possibility :

1) You project yourself way too much into people you argue with.

2) You've got too much imagination.

I think i'll go with no. 1).

 

Good post.

 

Diaz knows how to punch. His technique is rock solid. His problem, is that he can't punch hard. Can't really learn how to do that.

 

I think I was the same as Lederman that whole fight. But, I was scoring before seeing his score. Juarez's just did so little in the rounds that I felt Barrios' volume was winning the rounds.

Like to know which rounds you thought Juarez won?

 

I thought the Diaz fight was closer than 9-3 and I was ringside.
Also, when all of us at the fight heard that Lederman had Barrios up and HBO was being biased to Barrios we all flipped out because we saw a different fight, Barrios was throwing but not landing very much and Rocky seemed in control.

Isn't the first time that I disagreed with HBO and it wont be the last.

 

I had Diaz winning 9-3, but could see 8-4.

I agree with you that the Juarez-Barrios cards weren't that far off-base. I thought w/ the deductions that the fight was even or Rocky was slightly ahead. Barrios was getting a lot of credit for being the busier fighter, and Papa pulled a Lampley in citing his 160 punches thrown in either the 9th or 10th round. Shortly afterward, he almost apologetically revealed that Barrios only landed something like 25 or so out of the 160.

Then again, HBO will always praisingly introduce a judge from the Hopkins-Taylor fights as "among 5 of the 6 judges who had Jermain Taylor beating Bernard Hopkins in their two fights." So they remained consistent in that regard last night.

Good but not great fights, strange scoring and terrible broadcast. I'm probably as great a Bob Papa apologist as they come, but he's been way off his game as of late. Not sure if it was the Olympics that did him in or if he was already on the slide, but he's been mediocre lately and was terrible last night. Not as bad as Kellerman, but certainly not a time-capsule broadcast.

 

Id have to watch it again for exact rounds. Ill get back to you.

 

Bravo, Im glad someone else saw both fights the same as I did. :bears:

 

The most I could see Diaz-Katsidis would be 8-4 for Diaz. Any more than that and I think one is being extremely, extremely generous to Kat and giving him every benefit of the doubt.

Diaz should be recognized....he fought brilliantly and showed that he is VERY technically sound. He can integrate offense and defense and parry and counterpunch, moves his waist well on the inside, and was absolutely turning Katsidis around and pivoting (yes, pivoting ::) at every opportunity.

It was a brilliant display, opportunities aside (every fighter has them). Granted it was against Katsidis, but Diaz still gets credit....Casamayor wasn't able to do that.

Cotto should look at how Diaz fought, for starters.

I don't think Diaz will ever punch hard. Some of that is innate/natural; some is the way he fights. I don't necessarily agree that his punching technique is solid; but he can't improve on it too much and remain the fighter he is....his style is what mandates that he punches the way he does.

Peace.

 

Diaz is boring

I love boxing but that fight put me to sleep.. I think I woke up once in the 5th and cleaned my drool off my neck then went back to sleep

 

That's exactly right, it's bizarre that most people here don't seem to understand that.

 

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there's physical reasons Diaz's punches may not hurt. for one, if he has weak wrists, his punches will give more on contact, regardless of how cleanly it lands. Also, if his hand-speed is generated consciously, obviously, ala calslappy, he's taking power off in order to be fast (something a truly fast-handed fighter like rjj need not do). also, he may not tighten his fist when he throws - contributing to his superior stamina but obviously detracting from his punching power (diametrically opposite of Juarez ironically).

Finally, Diaz swims a lot and this, while it certainly mst account for his superior endurance, could have him overly relaxed in the ring such that the power's not there (note that his shoulders are not carved in the slightest and that his posture is somewhat hunched).

 

i didnt even watch it. i just had it playing in the background as a read a book

 

Diaz and Juarez both fight in one speed, though not the same as one another. Rocky's fight was good, but it took a while to get going - unlike others (namely the HBO crew), I didn't find a lot of value in Barrios throwing and missing 100 punches per round.

Diaz' fights start out fun, but seem to get stuck in the same template. That was the case Saturday, and Katsidis, much like most of Diaz' prior opponents wasn't able to do much about it (though he fought better than the three ringside shills gave him credit). The Campbell fight was fun because Nate was able to dictate the terms

Oddly enough, it was the Juarez-Barrios fight on which I fell asleep. I nodded off after the 3rd round and woke up late in the 8th. Had nothing to do with the fight, although the first few rounds didn't hold my interest much