So Who's BETTER???...Vitali or Wlad???...

Why do you refer to Vitali Klitschko as "Vitali" and Wlad as "Klitschko"?

That's pretty fucked up! :nono:

 

Because I'm out of practice of writing about both of them.

One of them's been off for a while.

 

He's not used to the fact that Vitaly is back.

 

Exactly.

 

You owe that ho-bag Vitali an apology IMO! :nono:

 

Next time I see him.

 

The question of this thread is "who's better"

Yes Wlad has been healthy enough to take out the Ibragimov, Brock, Austin's of the world.

Is there any doubt Vitali would be an enormous favorite against anyone on Wlad's resume.

And no thats not much for a legitimate argument, but look at common opponents.

Penalizing Vitali for being injury prone is not a reason for saying Wlad is bettter. There just isn't an argument that Wlad is better.

 

There were three questions.

who's BETTER btwn the 2, However...Vitali or Wladimir Klitschko???...

who'd Win a Head to Head, Brother vs. Brother Matchup???...

Who's ERA is this???...

 

Obviously, the division sucks when Vitaly can come back after 4 years and make the number 2 guy quit.

 

I didn't consider Peter the #2. I thought Chagaev and Valuev were both superior to him, and I would've taken either of them against Peter without hesitation. The same with Povetkin.

Peter was very fortunate that the WBC has been a bastion for the near-retired, like Toney and Maskaev...until he finally had to face Vitali.

Peter, and his camp, got the most out of that questionable decision aganst Toney as they could have.

 

It is not just his chin, but his mentality as well.....he doesn't have the same confidence as his brother....probably because of the chin issue. There will always be question marks over Wlad's stamina as well.

I know you are generalising, but don't include me amongst those who called them 'bums'.....

.....and i didn't say Vitali is a complete package, i said he was MORE OF a complete package in comparison to Wlad


on a side note....Setanta who screened the fight over here have been hyping up David Haye to an absurd degree (his name seems to pop up every 5 minutes)...and so speculated on Haye vs the brothers......Setanta pundit and Independent journo Steve Bunce rates Haye's chances against Vitali more than Wlad......i don't get that.....surely Vitali's better durability would make for a much tougher challenge!?!?.....Haye does seem to be banking on his haymaker to see Wlad away quickly....

 

I'd pick both Vitali and Wlad to knock Haye out. I'd be a bit less confident about Wlad but only slightly. I'd bet my house that Vitali knocks him out.

 

What a difference a chin makes.

 

yeah, i'd certainly pick Vitali vs Haye....but Wlad i'm not so sure about....Haye has the speed and the power, he could do a Corrie Sanders on him.....i need to see how Haye gets on at heavyweight before i'll stick my neck out and pick him

 

Sure, but even with that weakness, I think Wlad is proficient enough defensively to avoid the "Hayemaker" long enough to put him to sleep.

 

Who's more likely to be blitz KTFO by Haye, Wlad or Vitaly? I think that's Haye's only strategy with either.

 

I can perhaps see why he might say that.

Wlad's got a weaker chin, but I think he'd establish distance better with his left. He penetrates with his jab more, uses it more as a weapon, he's busier with it, and he can mix the hook in well with it. I think Wladimir's style is better apt to deal with speed/quickness. I could see Wlad doing a wire-to-wire job on Haye.

Vitali, as he showed last night, doesn't always use the jab that much. He keeps his hands lower, and he punches slower...and sometimes instead of jabbing he uses short hooks instead. It can be an effective punch, but it does require some timing and precision...and he hasn't shown he can do that against a superior athlete yet.

Peter is really the heavyweight equivalent of Mayorga when it comes to comebacking opponents...extremely poor defensively, very easy to hit...not a good fighter to use as a gauge.

I'm not saying Haye beats Vitali, but I could see him doing more against Vitali, whereas I can see Wladimir in control from start to finish.

Another thing, Vitali's stamina hasn't been tested in a while. Much has been made of Wladimir's past problems in that department, but he is pretty adept now at fighting his pace throughout a fight. He usually starts slower, holds more...but he's steadier throughout a fight and doesn't tire as badly. It maybe cautious and perhaps unappealing, but it's effective.

 

Wlad of course, but I think 1 well placed jab will be enough to make Haye think more than he needs to to be able to blitz Wlad.

 

I don't ... :nono:

I think many of you have had your perceptions skewed by a long layoff by Vitali.

 

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Same old tactics...

 

I like Bunce, but I thought he was very much off base last night.

Against Wlad, Haye is at a slight physical disadvantage but he might (though it remains to be seen for sure) have a slight speed advantage, and might just be able to work enough off the jab to throw and land the straight right hand. If he lands that shot, he might just be able to crack Wlad's suspect jaw.

Alternatively, I can't see him having any kind of joy against Vitali, who is big, strong and durable (when fit) enough to work Haye away all night long. Even if he landed the shot he thinks is good enough to dispose of Wlad, Vitali might very well not budge. As good a puncher as Haye is, I'd doubt strongly that he hits harder than Lewis, and Lewis hit Vitali flush more than once and couldn't budge him.

MTF

 

Oh Puhhhhlease ....

Peter has had plenty of time to regain any perceived loss of focus , chin or heart since that fight and was more determined than ever to win.

What discouraged him was a consistent KO punch in the form of a Vitali JAB , that would have easily dispensed a lessor opponent.

 

Ummmm ... I think I called it pretty good. :nono:

 

He hadn't faced anybody before he fought Wladimir.

Since then, he was badly hurt by Wladimir, knocked down three times by McCline and hurt by Maskaev.

I don't think he looks as confident in the ring as he was when he was undefeated. He was also in much better shape back then.

 

Your prediction have little to do with what I said, in fact, I didn't read 'em but if I had, I would have told you the same thing : "Wlad has better 1 punch ko power". You cling to your position but there's no empirical evidence supporting it.

I said "Same old tactics" as in : "I'm right, and you're all wrong because your perceptions are skewed because of (insert nonsense here)!"

As usual.

 

The problem with the "Post-Sanders" Vlad is,he can't seem to adjust well with the teachings that Stewart has taught him ever since Vlad signed with him.

Vlad's biggest problem was I think he was just never the same aggressive/exciting fighter ever since he left Universum and Sduneck? (however the hell you spell his last name?) Not just from his Sanders loss,but just coming and getting a US Trainer.

Stewart taught Lewis exactly what he needed to do to use his size and reach successfully. Whereas Vlad just can't seem to adjust to anything Stewart is teaching him!! It probably works well in training sessions,but is executed poorly during fight night!

Vlad was a pure monster while he was with Sduneck (Vitali's Trainer),but has become complete balls with American style trainers. Fighting the American,than more Euro is just not and never will be Vlad's style!

Say what you want about Vitali/Peter,but Vitali was a pure monster with Peter last night. After coming off a 1300 day layoff,and being at age 37,that was quite a feat that he did what he did and how he did it with Peter! Sort of makes you see what his absence from the game and especially the HW Division had lost!!

 

A pure monster last night?

If Wladimir fought Peter the same way, he'd probably be getting criticized from most on this message board for being too passive.

 

Like I said,after a 1300 day lay off,and at age 37,that was quite a feat he did.

If Vlad fought the same way,yeah he probably would be criticized,more for the fact he's younger,more active and THE MAN at HW!!ld:

 

Wlad, an entire fight with Peter without a clinch? Impossible! :nono:

 

Layoff or not, I don't think "monster" would ever come to mind when trying to describe the way Vitali fought.