Your pick: Bute vs Andrade

I know, I couldnnt believe it how stupid he was, he could have least say that it wouldnt have changed a thing as the final bell had already rung and that Bute was up before 10. Wneh They showed him the replay and it showed that Andrade was in the fucking corner I was starting to feel bad for the ref before I remember what a corrupt pos he was

 

He was up at 8/9 on my count, but hung in/over ther ropes for another five seconds, so theoretical he was KTFO. He couldn´t stand on his own. There were other instances in the round, when the ref stopped the action in the 12th to buy Bute time. Boy gotten beaten and he knows it. Unfortunately my betting account won´t reflect it.

 

Bute certainly wasnt the clear noncontraversial winner, of course he was up before 10 but he was so obviously out that even Steve Wonder, Right Now, would have stooped it, any other place in the world apart from Romania and Andrade is the new champ

 

Biased is corruption man, it affected the fight from the beginning because of that POS ref, Andrade was the fucking target the whole fight and still KTFO Boo-tay. Expect Lucian the lucy to fight a lesser caliber of opponents from here on out, probably more middleweights who moved up.

 

I agree 100%, Bute was koed, he lost tonight, and the corruption was far worse than anything I have ever seen, on the same scale as Reid-Ottke

 

I don't disagree with this.

No matter what the outcome, Bute was exposed tonight. And I too felt the ref was crap the whole fight.

But as far as I'm concerned, the final result was correct, given what happened.

 

I ll say it again that Andrade, who is one of my favorite fighter right now, should hit himslef in the face, Bute couldnt handle the pressure ( obvious after the 5th round ) and doesnt have much of a punch to kept him clear, but he didnt fight reclklessly enought untill the 11 the round ( well, he did in the 5 th but stopped), if he would have started just 1 round earlier, they would be no contreversy

 

.....A thread full of bigotted biased zionists.....

Shameful.

 

i like bute but hate the corrupt bastard ref

bute was out and everyone who isn't hanging from bute's jockstrap knows andrade won.

 

Or when he said: Look he´s out on his feet with about 30 seconds left. Uh ref when a fighter is out on his feet you are supposed to stop the bout, before he gets knocked into a coma.

 

If there was time on the clock this referee surely would not have let it continue. This should have been a stoppage, but then again he probably would have his entrails spread wide across Quebec had he done so..

Dammit!

 

I understand that, but there's no need to call Bute a 'sand-monkey' or 'carpet-rider' just because the referee didn't do his job properly.

 

I don't know if you guys remember Ouellet-Hilton I when the ref stopped the fight with 10 seconds left, Ouellet was way more popular in quebec than Bute ever was ( as was Hilton ). The ref was my former boxing coach and alway claimed he made the right choice cause you cant think about how many time is left or else you are robbing the other fighter of victory. And ouellet was less out of it than Bute was. Tonight, the ref didnt stopped the fight not because he was worried about his safety but because he was corrupted

 

LOL Eastside poll for Kessler vs. Bute 39-1 :laughing:

 

I didn't call bute either of those things. I said anyone who isn't a fanboy of bute knows bute lost.

 

This is absolutely correct. I counted 9 1/2 by the time Bute was fully upright, but still swaying back and forth.

What's most troubling, though, was that the ref was only just reaching six in his count by that point.

Even in the second count, the ref once again counted six, went all the way to nine, then "let it go" knowing damn well the fight was over. If he thought Bute was fit to continue, why go past eight if he's already on his feet?

And Bute was STILL out at the very end fo the fight - his cornerman and the ref had to walk him over to his stool at the end of the fight.

Terrible. No doubt that Andrade lost on the cards (and not sure what Ike is harping about; I thought at least two of the cards were accurate), but there's a legit argument as to whether it should've reached that point

 

:::::doh::doh:

 

it was obvious far before the 12 th round that Kessler is a far better fighter than Bute. Bute mostly landed pitty pat the gloves troughout the fight while Kessler countinously battered Andrade with pin point powerfull combination

 

I started watching fights right around that time, though I wasn't as into it as hardcore as I am now. I agree that an educated ref stops the fight, Richard Steele or Steve Smoger would have.

 

Question.

If you are a judge at ringside, do you score the BS knockdown that should have been called a slip?

I honestly don't remember anything of that sort in a close fight, if I have ever seen a judge not score a KD it is probably in a fight where the score wasn't close anyhow.

 

you have too if I am not mistaken ( I ask Jake the same question regardion Ruiz-Golota ), but you can alway adjust it in another way

 

yes, you at least have to score 10 pts for the fighter who scored the knockdown. you don't have to score it 10-8, but you still have to score it at least 10-9 Bute (I'm assuming you're talking about the 10th round), even if you think Andrade won the round.

 

correct

 

I found this at another knowledgeable website:

Determination of a Knockdown


It shall be ruled a knockdown when, as a result of a legal blow or series of legal blows, a contestant:

1. Touches the floor with any part of the body other than his/her feet;

2. Is being held up by the ropes, or

3. Is hanging on, through, or over the ropes without the ability to protect him/herself and cannot fall to the floor.



Knock Down Eight Count

In the case of a knock down, the eight (8) count is mandatory. A contestant who is knocked out shall be suspended for a minimum period of sixty days and a contestant who loses by technical knock out shall be suspended for a minimum period of thirty days from participating in any boxing activity.



A referee may terminate the count and the bout at any point when he/she decides that the safety of the downed boxer is at risk.



In the event of a knockdown, the downed boxer will be allowed a ten count in which to rise unassisted. Should a contestant arise before the count of ten is reached and go back down immediately without being struck by the opponent, the referee shall resume the count where he/she left off.



A referee may count a contestant out who is hanging defensively on, through, or over the ropes or on the floor.

 

For what it's worth, I didn't have that much issue with the 10th round KD. He got hit, and was knocked off balance before eventually falling to the canvas. The push finished the ride, but there was so little time that transpired, that it was basically a judgment call.

 

wouldnt it be a 10-10 if you think Andrade won the round ???

 

Hard to say. I haven't seen the fight, but a KD round usually goes 10-8. If the fighter who was knocked down wins the round, the bumps him up to 10-9. I don't agree with it 100%, but that's the way it is.

 

a few things.

- One, Lucian Bute looked ok in spots, he's got some flashy offense, but having Andrade tag you is not an endorsement.

- Two, This fight was an absolute disgrace. The referee will never have an assignment again. Not only was he biased for a good portion of the fight, but there were multiple horrific breaks.

The first was the "knockdown" in the 10th. A punch landed, but then Andrade made a move in, and he was push and tripped at the same time.

The second was Bute's constant holding. I've never seen a fight that I thought wow this should end by DQ, but he should've been DQ'd. That was a beating at the end especially and there's no reason that fight should've continued.

The Last was the entire 12th round. Warning Andrade for pushing, not warning/DQing Bute for holding. The count was 95 seconds long. Worse than that was the last 30 seconds. At what point does a fight get stopped?

I mean he fell on his own backing up, and was absolutely out on his feet.

On the whole, a disgraceful job officiating. Andrade didn't get jobbed by the judges, but he did by the ref.

 

U should have watched Fragomeni Kraj yesterday... seriously Italy owns us in terms of Mafia methods... looks like Canada isn't far behind either.

 

a short clip of the end is already on youtube under Bute-Andrade controversy, basically the last minute of the fight.