The KNOCKDOWN....

Havent seen it on TV yet. Just saw Joe get tagged and react like someone stuck a plunger up his ass. I don't know if I remember correctly but i thought he fought back pretty hard about 15-20 seconds after going down.

 

He did. He backed Roy off him and got Roy thinking "OK ... Not yet , I'll get you a little later" ... only a little later came and Calzaghe took over the fight.

Once Calzaghe started showboating , it was over for Roy. I think the showboating completely fucked up his head.

 

They replayed the KD after the fight and it was not the forearm, you can clearly see Roy’s glove land and then the forearm (Joe’s head snapped back). I think Roy did try to get him out of there but he couldn’t land anything substantial. I do recall a wild hook that Roy threw as well

 

That's because it wasn't the type of punch that gives you a concussion, but the kind that just hurts like hell. You aren't going to KO a guy following up on that kind of knockdown. You might cause him enough pain to put him down again--maybe--but he'll get up and when the pain eases, he's back to normal...just like Joe was. Hell, as you say, 15 seconds later, Joe was in control and won the rest of the round pretty clearly.

For comparison, look at Floyd's only knockdown. Same thing, different place for pain.

 

I agree. As bizarre as the blow was, Joe was hurt. More so than against Hopkins, which was just a sheer rushing in, flash knockdown.

 

The most hurt I have seen Calzaghe was against Kabary Salem - he decked Joe with a punch about 3 times harder and cleaner than the one lasst night

 

I don't know. I just watched the replay, and the punch was thrown wide, with the glove landing open-handed to the side of his face. His forearm appeared to me to have come right across his nose/face.

 

The glove didn't even touch calzaghe

the wrist area was what connected. The front part of the glove made no contact whatsoever with calzaghe's face.

 

Imagine what PRIME RJJ would have done...
Well he's probably half the fighter he was, which means he would have KD Joe 1min in PLUS he would have finished him off.
I think we can safely conclude that PRIME RJJ would have stopped Joe in under 2 mins.

I wonder if there was any scenario that could have played out last night whereby we couldn't have concluded that PRIME RJJ would have dominated Joe...?

 

I was screaming "finish him now!! Kill him now!!" at the screen, figuring it might be his best chance at winning. Jones didn't press enough after dropping Hanshaw and Trinidad in his last 2 fights, I was hoping he'd do it here.

 

it's because as far as prize-figthers go, rjj lacks courage.

also interesting to note is that it was actually a forearm that put joe down.

i think joe went down on purpose in both fights (hopkins & rjj) in order to give them the false impession their best strategy was to knock him out. meanwhile, sloppy slapped the rounds in the bank.

it also gives the false impression that hopkins and rjj weren't shot.

 

i know :doh:

Roy shoulda just KO'd him at any stage of the fight...1 second into the fight he shoulda simply just landed a KO punch

wtf was wrong with him :doh:

 

You may be onto something, that would explain why Calzaghe even played it to the fullest by saying he didn't see the punch in the corner, to make the trick work to its fullest potential :laughing:

 

we're all entitled to our opinions. what's he supposed to say in the corner, "yes the fake knock-down is working perfectly."

it'sonly a theory of mine, but for you to suggest that comments made in the corner for the benefit of the audience is proof that it wasn't deliberate is just about as thoughtless a point you could've made.

 

Fighters do not know when the mic is on in the corner, the audience in the crowd hears nothing, so maybe he said it in case there is a rematch to keep the trick working next time and had HBO ahead of time make sure the mic was on when he took the dive :dunno:

 

you must be blind. He didn't even come close. it was a forearm

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Weight divisions go by weight purely. They do not take into account the hunchback that certain old, shot fighters develop.

 

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTIyNDIwMjg=.html

look at 65th min. of the video

 

Does it show Calzaghe getting an abrasion on his nose?

 

it shows him getting clocked ::

the dude can take a shot :bears:

 

He got wacked across his nose with a bit of bone. I wonder how any you feel after that. I don't think Jones pressed because he knew he didn't land any kind of good shot. You don't "feel" it when you don't land it.

 

I'll put the Setanta replay up. Clearly a punch didn't touch him. He got hit with a jab, and Jones right missed but the forearm was beautiful. I'll do it tonight because I can't watch videos at work

Cupey

 

.....i can't believe people are still debating the knockdown

 

He's too old to pull the trigger.

 

I am still heated about <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1:City><st1lace>Roy</st1lace></st1:City>. He barely went to the body, he has a killer body attack that could of slowed Joe down a bit and he barely threw any uppercuts. I know Roy got hurt before his last fight so he couldn't really throw no hooks but seems to me he didn't throw that many hooks either in this fight, I guess the injury affected him long term. He pretty much was head hunting all night and didn’t have a plan B after the knockdown, then was scared to let his hands go even when Joe was sticking his chin out and had his hands down.

Not saying if RJJ did all those factors above he would have won the fight, but he definitely should have tried to break Joe down in other ways. It’s a wrap and <st1:City><st1lace>Roy</st1lace></st1:City> needs to call it a day, stick to your promoting, do commentary etc. Long time fan, but good things don’t last forever and I witnessed it last Saturday. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

 

he was much more hurt by byron mitchell.

 

Even though it's been clear for a while Roy has lost all killer instinct, i think this is the mostly likely reason he didn't press more after KD.

Calzaghe was certainly a bit hurt, but i don't think Roy fully realized it because it wasn't a flush shot.

 

look at 16m11s of the video

It shows all forearm, no glove.

 

Yeah, I wasn't just shooting that out of my ass. Honestly, I'm assuming most boxing fans have had the gloves on before and fancied themselves a bit....we all do. One thing you know, even as a scrub, is that you 'feel it' when you land something good. Thats a common denominator in a few sports, but particularly boxing.

Boxing for as long as Roy has, honestly think he wouldn't have felt it...and probably didn't think Calzaghe was that hurt...even if he was.