KESSLER CAMPAIGNS FOR CALZAGHE REMATCH OR SHOT AT HOPKINS

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  1. Neil

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    I'd rather see kessler fight calzaghe or dawson than hopkins. calzaghe seems to have declined a bit since the kessler fight. he's no lock in a rematch. it will never happen tho
     
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    Where is this notion that Calzaghe has declined coming from? On Saturday it looked like the same Calzaghe to me, I don't think he's declined at all since Kessler.
     
  3. salaco

    salaco Undisputed Champion

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    He has lost a step or two, I thought it was obvious against hopkins, even given the opponent. Even the kessler performance was that of a guy who was using all his experience rather than relying on his "athletic prime", Calzaghe looked vulnerable against Jones I thought, if he wants to retain his 0, he should retire now.
     
  4. Tam Tam

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    So now Calzaghe is in decline and looked vulnerable against Jones? Jeeeeez. He doesn't need to retire to be unbeatable to you guys.
     
  5. mikE

    mikE "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    haha...i'm with you.

    Calz looked as good as ever against Roy. I thought he carried Roy a bit, but I got the impression it was on purpose and not because he couldn't step it up.
     
  6. Mitchell Kane

    Mitchell Kane WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    I don't think he's looked as good, physically, in his last two fights...but I think the weight has something to do with it.
     
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    I think you guys are totally wrong.

    What it boils down to is his last 3 opponents being far and away his best 3 opponents.

    Aside from the first 3 rounds that Nard clearly won, I thought Calzaghe looked very sharp in all 3 fights.

    He's not quite as fast as he was in his prime, and despite power allegedly being the "last thing to go" - I don't think he hits as hard either. And possibly not quite as sharp as he was 5+ years ago.

    But he is still very, very sharp, still has brilliant reactions, timing etc.

    And although he was not in his athletic prime against Kessler, he was still by far the more athletic of the two, it wasn't just experience that won that fight, it was athleticism.
     
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    I think Kessler beats Hop, and I also think he wins a Calz rematch. Calzaghe fought about as well as he possibly could against Kessler, and I dont think he can duplicate it at his age. Whereas Kessler would make the proper adjustments in the rematch.

    The fight that needs to be made, maybe the BEST fight to be made at this point is Kessler-Dawson. Both young, hungry, primed, and both very talented. It NEEDS to be made!

    I suspect however that Kessler will fight Taylor next, provided JT beats Lacy on sat. And I wont complain about that either. Kessler-Taylor is a good matchup.
     
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    Yup, me too. Especially late on. Joe had plenty left in the tank, but he just wanted to mess around and carry Roy, not try and give him a serious beating.
     
  10. salaco

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    I guess it depends on what you thought of Jones's performance, he looked beyond shot to me, dead man walking. I think Calzaghe has slowed up quite a bit, even since lacy, doesn't mean he hasn't shown that he has more wrinkles to his game when plan A fails.
     
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    It's easy to look good against a guy who doesn't fight back. Roy offered no resistance at all.
     
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    *Z* WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    And for the two rounds Roy actually fought, he was tagging Calzaghe at will. I didn't think Calzaghe looked so great, I thought Roy just looked that bad. Let's just say that I would pick Bernard Hopkins to overwhelm Roy with his workrate right now. :lol:
     
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    kessler didn't figure calzaghe out

    until it was too late. Kessler won round 12 but lost the fight by a narrow margin.
     
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    I'm a Kessler fan and was absolutely gutted that Calzaghe won,.. I didnt see it as close,.. it was 8 - 4 at best,... if Kessler were to ever beat Calzaghe he would have to branch out for more skills, other than being refined strictly to his upright European style, he has perfected the European style,..but it's too limited to ever conquer Calzaghe, who weaved his way around it.
     
  15. Mitchell Kane

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    I would like to see a rematch because there isn't that much at 168 or 175 (if you take Calzaghe-Dawson out of the picture). I do think Calzaghe's one of those fighters who might be easier to prepare for once a fighter's been in the ring with him.

    But the reality is that a rematch makes a lot more sense for Kessler than it does for Calzaghe.
     
  16. Double L

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    all kesller has to do is land his right in between a sloppy slap and Joe will be on his ass. and he can do this all night.
     
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    And yet, he couldnt manage that once in twelve rounds.
     
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    Actually he did early and buzzed Calzaghe a bit, but that's all that came of it.
     
  19. Double L

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    he would in the rematch. he tried to take turns too much with solppy the 1st time. the key is to take advantage of joe's squared up offense making him easy to tag punching with him, robbing sloppy of power, and making sloppy very susceptible to knockdowns.
     
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    why does he want a rematch for....they don't even count
     
  21. Mitchell Kane

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    Kessler's uppercut would probably be more of a factor in a rematch...at least it would be a good thing for Kessler if it was.

    Calzaghe did a decent job changing up his distance in the first fight though and getting sharper with how he positioned his body after thworing, something he probably doesn't get enough credit for.
     
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    dsimon writes;

    True. And the psychological factor. Teh Dane shut down a bit and let Joe get in his head.
     
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    Wow, Kauki is the voice of reason :bears:
     
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    So when he landed his right hand flush in the first fight, which he did enough of in the first 4 or 5 rounds, why wasn't Joe on his arse?
     
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    Calzaghe-Kessler II gets a big yawn from me. Doesn't do shit for Calzaghe's legacy and if Kessler wins it can only be because Joe went downhill. Calzaghe-Dawson and Hopkins-Kessler are the two fights that should be made.
     
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    I think Hopkins would beat him, much as I hate to admit it. It's a bad style match-up for Mikkel: he's a bit too straight and a bit too orthodox, a bit too upright and, well, a bit too 'Pavlik' (only a little better IMHO)

    There aren't that many I'd pick over Kessler at 168 (none) or 175, but alongside possibly Dawson (who might be a bit too quick) and Joe (who doesn't want any part of a rematch on the grounds that he knows he is declining and might well lose), but Hopkins is one of them.

    MTF
     
  27. mikE

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    Kessler is better than Hopkins.
     
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    Kessler lost to Calzaghe because he fell under the Calzaghe hype and got intimidated. This wouldn't be the case in a rematch. Kessler would come to win!
     
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    Not a damn chance in hell.
     
  30. mikE

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    Oh really?

    At age 29, he's accomplished quite a bit more than Bernard had and been beaten similarly by the best fighter in his division.

    Since Bernard didn't really accomplish jack until the unification series when he was 36, there's plenty of ways Kessler can prove he's better.

    And he is.
     

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