dsimon writes: Bullshit. A lot of people ar press row scored it for Hops.. sorry just becasue yousay something does not make it true.:nono: It is riduclous to: a) call this a bad decision b) Claim that a decision for Hopkins would be bad c) Claim that Calzighe in any way shape or form beat Hopkins when he landed fuck all and slaps all night.
Calzaghe won that fight, as mex said it was ugly but he won. If Joe slapped all night then Hopkins did nothing but try to con the fans the ref and the judges - the cheat. :stir:
dsimon writes: Yeah we should let the fighters stay intheir corners and throw punches in the air a HBO punch stats record the number of pitty pats they register a round. The fighter with the most arm extensions for the rounds wins the fights... we could do away with all consequences for these punches in this fashion and save the fighters a bit of abuse. Why boxing would be as grand as curling!!!! :bears::notallthere: Stupid argument. And unfortunately the judges are becomiong so enamored of pitty pat count that they confuse them with punches.
dsimon writes: It depends what you ar elooking for. Pitty pats don't count as punches in my book. And more than a few, including one of the judges agrees. And you know what? this is no double L diatribe that is my opinion, quite a few people scored it for Nard.... it is hardly my imagination.
I just don't buy into the whole Calzaghe and pitty pat BS. Did you see Lacy's face after the fight and Kessler had the cancel his modeling job the day after their fight
Including one of the judges? So what? A judge also scored Oscar over Floyd, a judge also scored Chavez over Whitaker, Holyfield over Lewis in the first fight, do you agree with those too? Hopkins won the first 3 rounds, then crept around doing fuck all, whilst calzaghe came forwards, made the fight, and landed a fair amount of slaps in the process. Calzaghe won 8 rounds at worst, you'd have to be insane to think Nard won. You're acting like press row was split 50/50. Where are all these people that scored it for Nard? Do you have the stats?
Regardless of what is generally accepted or not; that Calzaghe is allowed to slap and be rewarded for it is a damn shame. It's easier to rip off combinations in huge numbers if you're not punching the way the scoring system was designed to cater for.
Even Roy said those pitty pat punches were a lot harder than he thought they would be. They are still scoring punches. Calzaghe is not feather fisted like a Spadafora type fighter. His punches count.
I don't care how hard they are, they are not the kinds of punches that the ten point must system was designed to cater for. Thats the point. Punching with illegal technique allows you to do things that others can not (or do not). A slap is not a scoring blow under the proper application of the scoring system, as it is not the proper part of the glove being used.
Calzaghe's punches have become affectionately known as slaps, because some of them literally are, but the vast majority of them connect with the scoring part of the glove.
Maybe the vast majority is...maybe it isn't. The point is there is no doubt that he slaps and does it alot. Thats illegal. Like backhanding...only backhanding is actually pulled up.
Lots of Joe's opponents like to call them slaps and say they won't hurt but they all end up on the losing side. People like to say that Hopkins is one smart mofo in the ring when you could easily say he is the biggest fucking cheat ever, neither is 100% true.
People like to rewrite history . Usually they think much better of themselves as time passes. The fact remains ... MOST thought Roy was going to sleep for a 3rd time. That he went the full twelve , clearly won a few rounds , and not only finished , but won the 12th was surprising to many and he WAS given some props for it. Now everyone remembers it differently. Personally I wish you clowns had better memories our Cupey kept an Archive because I'd be throwing some egg in a number of directions right now.
Petre, you're outnumbered buddy, everyone here remembers the general consensus being that Roy bitched out. Sad but true. He just wanted to not get KO'd, at no point did he try and win the fight. Everyone knew it, and he was criticised for it. Not only that Petre, but whenever the fight is talked about, his journeyman mentality is the point that's brought it, not what great heart he showed by finishing the fight ::
By who, Petre? That's what we're asking. Offer a name. I can guarantee you that four never said such a thing - REED, 'tap, Muzse and bigdawg. Those names are almost as high as you can climb on the Roy fandom list. The equivalent so far, is Cupey throwing Tito under the bus. I've cited four of the site's greatest Roy fans, in fact apologists. I cited my own personal experience in the arena that night, as well as the views expressed by everyone I talked to at ringside (and certainly if any writer had something to say, it'd be on record in an online archive). And speaking of memory... you claim to have laughed at those who picked Pavlik over Hopkins going in. But honestly, was that any more of a ridiculous pick then, say Gatti over Floyd Mayweather?
Did you think he was going to get KTFO again in that fight? How many Jones fans pissed their pants during Round 5 ? <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/GPP9ffqGYHk&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/GPP9ffqGYHk&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> How Many cheered and thought Roy still had a shot in the 12th? No one is saying people thought "RJ" was back and ready to cream the world ... Damn ... talk about taking a simple statement and turning it into something it never was. I'll wager most ALL that bet on Tarver figured he'd KTFO Roy ... and ALL were wrong. I guess I was the only one that gave the guy credit for finishing a decent fight and winning the 12th after 2 consecutive and brutal KO's. :doh:
And that's typical of Uberfans that swing like pendulums when they're man loses. As for Gatti over Floyd ... was that my pick ? Ummmm NO. All I said was Gatti would do better than most thought ... And I was wrong. My PICK and I said , the SMART MONEY was on Floyd.
But Petre, who on here, or what writers actually credited roy for his performance and thought he showed heart or gave a gutsy effort? Because I can't think of anyone on here that praised his performance, neither can Jake or REED etc. I can't think of having ever read an article that states that either.
A well known Boxing analyst gives a final summation on Jones after the fight ... However, allowing for some small fistic accounting, it was also Roy Jones Jr.'s night. For even those who examined the bottle and not the contents had to acknowledge that Jones had added to his stature by coming back, after two straight knockouts, to face one of those who had made him one with the canvas and gained a measure of redemption. And it would take no giant intellectual balloon ascension, even by his pre-fight critics, to know that Roy Jones Jr., based on his career achievements, belongs on that tiny island of boxing greats, having hardly "tarnished" his image with his effort against Tarver. - Bert Sugar
First question - no I did not. I actually blindly picked him to win. Part based on fandom, the other part based on watching Buddy McGirt scream at Tarver to finish the Johnson rematch, one where he was winning yet still wanted to give up. Second question - probably not as many as those who wondered WTF he was thinking from rounds 6-11.
Petre this isn't like TAAA. You can't fool this many boxing fans on a boxing forum. We are very, very knowledgeable.
sorry, Petre, game over. Not only did you pick Gatti (though perhaps with the "Smart Money" disclaimer) you made excuses for his loss afterward, as if to justify your pick had he only taken your advice.
Game over ? ... I did exactly what I said ... and when the fight was done and Gatti was thoroughly dominated by Floyd not being able to compensate for his speed , the only argument I made was he didn't have a fall back plan. No plan B as they said. Floyd was my pick ... Gatti I WANTED to win , because I can't stand Floyd. Trust me ... I know my own picks.
