That, my friends, is a fixed fight

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Unreal,the answers are in you face,open your eyes!!!!!

 

Oscar's performance makes no sense to me :dunno:

even with the weight factor...i thought he was at the weight for the last few weeks? so he would have done a fair bit of sparring at the weight too?


what has he said in post fight interviews?

 

I don't think it was fixed, I'm just surprised how easily Oscar set himself for the fall. Letting the fight be at 147 was a huge mistake and very unlikely of DLH. He hadn't made the weight for a long time and he was doomed to get really old quickly.

 

Thats one hell of a fix. Hoya really wants to be a billionare

 

Wow, the tin foil hat crew is out in full force. I seriously doubt that De La Hoya was ever in any danger of being shot in the street by some Vegas mobsters over a gambling bill. Floyd makes guys look like that all the time, speed kills. When you have some mean little powerhouse like Pac jumping in and out with lighting speed stinging the shit out of you over and over it does something to the old trigger box.

 

what other fights have looked like this? where a good boxer literally hardly threw anything - or even tried to throw anything - for 8 rounds, and yet wasnt getting hurt with bombs? de la was taking 30 consecutive punches without even cocking a punch, without even drawing his arm back for a hook. if he'd been dazed by a big shot, it might make sense - but he wasn't. manny was landing, but nothing that rocked oscar, and yet cross-dresser did nothing but throw a rare limp jab.

manny did great, and manny is great, but de la's performance was strange. if somebody's faster and better than you, it might make you scared - but to this extent was unusual. whatever the reason (fix seems unlikely?), this de la was not mentally in the fight, over and above manny's influence.

 

By the time of my post this will probably be co-sign number 20.

+20

Oscar had no idea what to do and that was without doubt the worst performance he's ever made.

Manny is an enigma.

He carried every bit of his speed and power into the higher weight and completely dismantled Oscar who once befuddled was done. That was a mercy stoppage to prevent a brutal KO.

 

“I’m not shocked (at the result) because at this stage, when you face a great fighter like Manny, it’s almost expected,â€￾ said De La Hoya, now 39-6 with 30 KOs. “I worked hard and trained hard, but in the gym it’s a whole different story. My heart still wants to fight, but when you don’t respond physically, what can you do? I have to be smart and think about my future plans.â€￾

After admitting defeat so graciously, De La Hoya then undid his jacket to reveal a t-shirt emblazoned 'HATTON V PACQUAIO 2009 - Golden Boy Promotions - Only $99.95 pay-per-view!'

 

There are so many factors.

1. Oscar hasn´t been at 145 in 15 years!!!!

2. Oscar is 35 years old.

3. With one exception Oscar has been fighting other washed up has beens since the Hopkins bout in 2004. That´s FOUR YEARS from being 31 to being 35. And he didn´t look special back then either.

4. Manny Pacquiao is the best fighter in the world. He´s fast, he´s accurate.

5. The reason why he came so light can be explained easily. He wanted to remain fast to counter this speed of Pacquiao. What it likely did was kill his legs.

 

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Nobody willingly takes a vicious beating to throw a fight.

If it was a fix, it would have looked like a sparring session for a few rounds, then Oscar would have taken a dive.

Not the vicious beating he took, especially not oscar, who despite having a good chin, has never liked getting hit.

Did you see his face after the fight? ::

 

dsimon writes;

Lets say for the sake of argument that Sly has the best winning percntage here ok?

SLY

Caligula Neil etc....


The BOARD

The UNFORTUNATE AS OF LATE (off about 20% or so from the board, bad decisions fromt eh judges , etc)

THE CHRONICALLY OFF (off more than 50% CHRONICALLY for more than a couple of years).

DOUBLE L territory OFF!!!!

Ok bear with me: So How did Sly get to be the best? He picked MAYBE at most twice against the board.. One of them the Hopkins fight lets say. And even the Hopkins fight was, as I remember, not nearly 90% for Hopkins. That means that the board is chronically right in its majority decisions.

This being said statistically it is a major anomolie for two fights to go against the board in the matter of time it did recently (Hopkins and Pacquio). Just another consideration for the possability that the fix was in.

Oscar behavoir was strange, he looked quite resigned at taking the beating BTW... I think something was up.

 

The only way to decide this is by playing a game and keeping track. I pick against the board for fun sometimes.

 

EXACTLY.

Dela Hoya of all people is going to take a savage beating to throw a fight? :laughing:

That's the shittiest idea I've read in 6 months.

 

dsimon writes:

Ok and so do I.... But UNLESS a good majority of posters decided to do the very same thing for a particular fight... our occasion decision to pick against our better judgement is what is known as a statistical anamolie and would not effect the trend Joe.

Also: there are people here who think Oscar threw the fight against Bernard who didn't in this fight... thats something I really do not understand.

 

Oscar was clearly looking for a way out in both fights. Last night Oscar was staying against the ropes and letting Manny flurry so that the referee would stop the fight. He did this at least 3 times in the last two rounds.

 

dsimon writes:

Pacman versus Hatton... oscar as the promoter...

For a high stakes gambling debt? Oscar is a fucking crook. As Muze has pointed out he has some other unmentionables that he has hushed up as well.

You are just intoxicated on the refuge of the parvenue first generation litertates: ethnic pride. Grow up, use some of those deductive reasoning skills one would presume to learn in the University. Ron King is sleeping under a bridge because of Oscar!! :nono:

edit: BTW I enjoyed watching Oscar recieve a great ass whuppin as much as the next guy... the irony is thick here as I would gladly pay for the spectacle of watching Oscar get smacked around good for rounds..... and I like Pacquio... but damn it this one was not on th up and up.

 

Okay, let's assume last night was a fix.

Why would Oscar willingly take a savage beating for the fix? Why not just lay down on one of the many brutal body shots he took during the fight like he supposedly did when he fought Hopkins?

The beating he received last night was life threatening. The doctor, ref, and trainer were all very concerned at the end of the 8th round that Oscar was going to get hurt, it was that type of beating.

Also, notice Oscar's demeanor when he was being asked by the doctor "Do you have a headache?" or by Nacho, "Let's just stop this, he's too fast." Oscar had no words, his face told everything. This was a fighter who was fighting pride, he was on the verge of tears, I've seen this face before; Morales had it when he fought Pacquiao the 2nd time, and Barrera had it during the first fight with Manny, complete and utter resignation. When someone knows they are utterly beaten, and it's only pride that keeps them from saying "I can't fight anymore", that's a painful thing to experience. Oscar had that look on his face last night.

If he was in for the fix, why wouldn't he just smile and say, "Yeah I'm done guys, let's call it a day." He didn't do that, part of Oscar's PRIDE wanted to say "Give me one more round."

Oscar was a completely beaten man, physically, and spiritually. Why would any man go through that just for some partial options on a fight? You guys act like Oscar is poor.

 

dsimon writes:

Oscar acted like he was completely beaten that much is sure. He didn't answer the doc right away... yeah I saw all that shit. It was a fucking act. And it would have been suspicious if he did what he did against Hopkins. And lets not forget the pride of Eat LA... I am sure he would not accept getting Ko'ed... I mean he has his pride.

The beating he got last night was not life threatening. Is Oscar in the hospital today Btw?

 

If he comes out for the 9th round, he would be.

 

dsimon writes:

I ony can hope you are right... as it was refreshing to watch Oscar recieve such an alleged beating!

 

Alleged beating? WTF? Did they sneakily put some make up on him between rounds? Did they put putty round his eyes and face? ::

Was Oscar pretending to have his head snapped back round after round?

 

The idea is utterly absurd and moronic.

"I know, I'll go in and throw the fight to make a few million on some bets. What I'm going to do though guys, is not just take a dive from a body shot, I'm going to take a VICIOUS beating! Yeah you heard me right, I'm going to just get hit over and over again until my little cherub face is all swollen up, then I'm going to quit in the corner, lowering my stock, and also possibly lowering the interest and revenue that a hatton fight would generate. Well guys, what do you think? Good idea or what?"

 

you forgot: and I'll even stay overnight in a hospital to make it look better.

 

come on, mex. it wasnt concussive blows he was taking, he probably didnt feel in danger of brain damage or anything like that.

if there were a fix, it seems feasible that oscar would look for a mid-fight stoppage - just as feasible as taking a dive. he was looking for a way out in the 7th, waiting for weeks to stop it (who takes 30 punches without even clinching or throwing, when they're not even groggy, in the history of boxing?). maybe he thought going down for a ko would have seemed too similar to the b-hop fight - the cries of "fix!" would probably have been louder. oscar took the accumulation of punches - they cut him up, they battered him, sure, but nothing concussive - for a few rounds waiting for weeks to step in; when weeks didn't, he quit.

 

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Ever seen the valentine's day massacre?

Sometimes when a fighter is that much faster and better, yes you do take that many punches, and you're basically too disheartened and confused to do anything about it.

Rooster I know you're more intelligent than to think this fight was a fix.

Oscar is NOT the type of person to willingly take a vicious beating, if a fix was in, and there is also no logical reason for a fix either.

Not concussive punches? Are you kidding? Oscar was buzzed plenty of times, his head was being snapped back in every round, and he was visibly hurt to the body several times.

Pacman might not hit as hard as hopkins, but he is not the kind of fighter you're going to want to just take punches from, however much bigger you are.

Sometimes a great little man beats a great big man, this was just one of those occasions. Not hugely different to Roy against Ruiz.

 

all this is fine... but i still havent seen many fights where someone did nothing for so many rounds in such a state. he didnt seem exhausted, he didnt seem close to ko. (i havent seen that lamotta-sugar fight in a while.)

im not saying it was a fix, just that oscar was mentally fucked. ruiz was chasing roy for 12 rounds, grabbing, throwing punches.

 

Has it Also Been Awhile Since U've Seen Roy-Ruiz???...After Being STAGGERED N Round 4, Ruiz Basically Went N 2 a SHELL for the Rest of the Fight...

DeLa TRIED...@ 1 Point, he Threw a FLURRY of Shots @ Manny & MISSED Every Punch...Manny's Head & Upper Body Movement has NEVER Looked Better...

NO WAY was Last Night a "Fix"...

REED:hammert:

 

Physically fucked, rooster. Oscar was pretty clearly drained, and I hate saying that because I love me some Pacquiao.

I've watched the fight again before bed last night. Oscar just got his ass kicked, I can't believe this is being discussed.

 

Exactly. Ruiz was similarly shut down by the better, MUCH faster, smaller man.

Are you sure you've seen both fights Rooster?

Shit, have you seen Chico against Floyd too? Chico was just blindly following Floyd around doing fuck all, getting tagged over and over again.

Roost, either you just don't watch much boxing, or your memory leaves something to be desired.

Sometimes when a fighter is that much faster and more slippery, the other fighter literally just gets shut down, ESPECIALLY when they hit nothing but air when they do throw. That becomes incredibly frustrating and discouraging.

Although we thought it was a joke of a fighter and Manny would get KO'd, given the HUGE speed disparity, and how much younger and sharper pacman is, it shouldn't be THAT surprising to you that Oscar was shut down this way, it does happen in boxing.