frank shamrock thinks most strikers in mma suck.

It isn't part of striking, but it is part of standup fighting in MMA. The point I am making is you have to be worried about several different aspects of combat while striking in MMA. Leg kicks may be easier to defend than punches but thats not the point. The fact that you HAVE to defend them makes the striking part that much more difficult. But its all irrelevant, striking and boxing aren't the same, simple as that.

 

boxing is the hardest striking art to learn, secondly if that were the case guys like mighty mo, mark hunt and roman dekkers would not be successful at kickboxing. secondly you dont have to defend against takedowns because subs end fights not takedowns. the fact that you can also kick makes the striking that much easier.

you wanna know how to defen against a leg kick?.. lift your knee, thats it.

 

Seriously, I thought you had some good posts and made some good points in this thread. But this post is bad.

"you don't have to defend against takedowns because subs end fights not takedowns." :doh: that makes zero sense. none zip.

"the fact you can kick makes striking that much easier. " so defending against two facets of striking is easier than defending one?:doh:

"lift your knee, thats it":doh::doh::doh: either you have never kickboxed or only against Santa's elves. Cro Cop is probably saying "why didn't I think of that against Gonzaga?:dunno:"

I love boxing. I love MMA. you can make rediculous posts like this one and someone can always make posts like mine to show how elementary your thinking is. Or you can just come to the fact that so many fans of both have come to, they're different. I don't compare football and rugby, hockey and soccer, cricket and baseball. they're similar in a few ways but they are different. Don't try to shove a square peg(MMA) into a round hole(any other combat sport).

 

This is true. I think reflexes and natural gifts like hand speed are way more important in boxing than mma. That's the biggest reason why boxing is harder to succeed at at the highest level than mma.

 

That is not the reason. The reason is because MMA is a fledgeling sport that doesn't have the depth that boxing does.

 

That's another reason. But what I said is also true.

 

There are athletes in all sports that are gifted with good reflexes and hand speed.

 

I'm just saying that it's more important to have it in boxing than mma. Nowhere did I say that only boxers have great reflexes.

 

if you get taken down, you can sub the person who initiated the takedownk, but i assume you thought he meant that the person taking you down had better submission skills.

defending leg kicks is a lot to do with conditioning and endurance, how many fights have you seen end with leg kicks in k-1? and you need to understand that addition of kicks slows the pace of actual fight, show me a k-1 fight that can rival barrera v morales.

with a kick to the face, you use your hands obviously, i thought we were talking about leg kicks specifically. crocop is a lazy striker, didnt he get decked by a punch from randleman.

wtf are you talking i wasnt comparing sport, i was merely implying that going from one to the other would be easier for boxers. please dont reply to my posts.

 

The game has surpassed Frank.

Cung Le is alright, but not on the level of the top well rounded fighters. He has not been actually tested yet. Frank was a good get your feet wet test, but I believe that even the top guys in the welter weight division of the UFC (Thiago Alves, Koscheck, St. Pierre) would probably tear him a new one.

And lets not even talk about his own middle weight division. With guys like Anderson Silva, Robbie Lawler (hopefully in the UFC soon), and Henderson.. I cant see him beating any of them at this stage of his career. Being totally well rounded is the key to everything in MMA. Cung has`nt shown that YET.

Maybe if he focuses more on learning the full aspects of the game more than he does making movies, then he just might have the tools to make some real noise in the future.

 

cough....Johnny Ruiz....cough!!!!!

 

Wow... This is seriously ridiculous.

 

I honestly can't believe you're debating this. Saying 'you only have to lift your leg to defend leg kicks' is like saying 'you only have to move your head to defend head punches.' Simple. ::

 

we were talking about leg kicks. besides that you need endurance to withstand the kicks, which technically isnt defending. when i say lift your leg i didnt mean to totally avoid the kick, but to make it hit the part of the leg that is less sensitive.

please enlighten me on the many ways to defend against a leg kick.

 

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I know, man, I am actually disappointed in myself:: I have read many of his posts and thought he was fairly on point most of the time. I am not sure he really realizes how foolish his posts are in this thread. He tells you we are only talking about leg kicks, yet all of his posts say different. His reply to takedown defense being a part of stand up in MMA is "you can submit the guy who took you down" But weren't we comparing stand up?:notallthere:

I guess I should listen to my own advice and not argue with fools, those reading the posts can't tell the difference.::

 

Absolutely. Your main point was the fact that defending the multiple facets of MMA attacks is much different than defending punches in boxing. How can that NOT be true?

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I didn't really think anyone would disagree either:: I wasn't meaning for anyone to get upset really::

 

i love it when people avoid questions :doh:. why comment on leg kicks when you've never trained in boxing or kickboxing.

"your main point was .... blah, blah, blah"......... you assume his main point was something he didnt even say:notallthere: .. everything thats been previously said is still here, verbatim. OF COURSE defending against leg kicks is different to punching (and much easier to do), not once have i claimed it to be the same...

regarding takedown defence, who brought up defending against takedowns? i responded to you on tdd yet now you claim that we were only comparing standup:notallthere:. you were trying to equate defending against takedowns to defending against strikes... wow..why am i even arguing with someone called........ :doh:

 

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What's the matter with you?

 

:mj:

 

First he says don't reply to my posts anymore, now he can't help himself. Reminds me of my 6 year old nephew when he gets mad at me and says "I ain't talking to you anymore!" Two minutes later he's talking to me again.:laughing: Its all good homey, let it go. Deep breaths and we can all move on and be happy:atu:

 

dont reply if you wont have a civil discussion with me.

i thought you werent responding to me.:::notallthere:

 

:atu::laughing: the best part is he is serious:laughing::laughing:

 

This dude is like a conversation with Mr. Miyagi

Daniel: Hey Mr. Miyagi.. How do I avoid punches?

Miyagi: Try move your head.

Daniel: OK. Now how about leg kicks?

Miyagi: Ay, Try lift your leg.

 

I thought that is all there was to it?

 

and your still responding:doh::laughing:

 

secondly you dont have to defend against takedowns because subs end fights not takedowns.

:atu:

 

What a gem. It's like saying you don't have to defend against the jab, jabs don't end fights, power punches do.

 

what type of a nitwit compares throwing a jab to a takedown.:notallthere:

 

It is indeed fairly easy to learn how to defend leg kicks, it's far more harder to learn how to move your head, no question about it.