After watching Froch-Pascal...

It was my first real time seeing Froch fight. First off, great fight. Both men showed alot of guts, and toughness. Having said that, Froch wont hold the belt for long. He'd be easy pickings for Taylor, and EXTREMELY easy pickings for Kessler. Froch's defense is worse than Andrade's, and he doesnt hit any harder. Kessler would beat him within a inch of his life and stop him. Taylor also kicks his ass, but I can see Froch having his moments and winning a few rounds off JT. But Taylor would win a convincing UD.

I see Bute outboxing Froch as well.

 

Yeah I like the fight! Both put on a good show. Froch has alot of holes in his Def. but very tough. He got hit with some flush shots from Jean; maybe he can take a good shot? His jab is good and his reach is longer than I think must realize. Kessler has too high of a work rate for him.opcorn:

 

Have to agree, good fight, but Froch is limited, I don't see him as a threat to a top super middleweight like Kessler.

 

i agree....i give him a shot against Taylor....but i'd pick Jermain's technical speed and technical efficiency to decision him.....

Froch once again proved his chin which is probably only bettered in the division by Andrade......his confidence in his own durability probably contributes to his defensive carelessness.....it isn't quite so glaring when he decides to keep the fight at distance

 

Kessler would beat Froch to death; his defense is horrible though his chin and willingness to fight would keep him upright for a few rounds.

And agreed- it was a great fight :bears:

MTF

 

Great fight, and well done by Fox Sports. Mitchell and I discussed this in the other thread, but they did a great job of letting the fight speak for itself, rather than clog up time with pointless pre-show commentary. A brief description and then straight to the show.

agREED on Froch being fairly ordinary, but only on the surface. Not exactly the second coming of Pernell Whitaker from a pure boxing standpoint and I believe his power to be overrated.

But he also has a deception about him that suggests easy pickings, which I believe will be his strength. I don't see him being an easy out for Jermain Taylor - or really for any SMW besides Kessler. Taylor would have to pile up rounds early, because he damn sure won't outlast Froch over twelve.

I'll put it this way - if it were that easy of a path to a major title, DiBella wouldn't be whining about HBO not opening the vault in order to make the fight happen.

 

Hmm... good point about Taylor. Maybe I'm overrating JT a bit. I forgot that Taylor doesnt have the world's best stamina, and that defensively he isnt exactly a prime Jones his damn self. I could see Froch giving him a tough fight, but its still a stretch for me to exactly see Froch winning. Froch is strong, but he lacks Pavlik's technical skill and stiff jab, which is what beat Taylor. I also dont think Froch posseses as much power as Pavlik either, and even though Kelly is hardly a good defensive fighter, compared to Froch... he's Wilfred Benitez.

JT by tough 8-4 UD over Froch.

 

Jake, I agree about Frock's power, I said it even before the Pascal fight.

He is a pretty average puncher at 168, probably similar to Taylor at this weight actually.

Not the monster puncher some suggested he was in the slightest.

He is basically a farmer with a decent chin and stamina.

I would pick Andrade over him, nevermind Taylor and Kessler.

 

As would I, though Froch would have a legit chance in that fight. But I dont care who wins between Froch, and Andrade, all I know is that it would be one HELLUVA war! Another great fight would be Froch-Bika.

Bute I think would outbox Froch, provided he doesnt get careless, which after the Andrade fight I doubt he would.

And believe it or not... I think Mundine would school the hell outta Froch. At least the Mundine that beat Danny Green anyway. Its possible Mundine has declined since then.

BTW - its a fuckin joke that Froch thinks that Calzaghe is avoiding him. Calz could be on his death bed and still beat Froch.

 

Froch is better than Bika; period. And this from a guy who likes Bika and was impressed when he gave Joe and ugly, ugly nights wirk.

Froch is a coinflip against any SMW bar Kessler (who kills him stone dead) and Taylor (who is a 60-40 fav IMHO)

And agreed on the Calz thing- it's a good job for Carl that Calzaghe thinks he is a mook, because if he ever got his wish and fought Joe, he might never fight again afterward. Calzaghe destroys Froch in horrible fashion.

Again though MWS; Froch is better than you think he is. His power is overrated but is still good and he has a good chin and plenty of fight in him. He sure aint the second coming, but he aint no farmer either...

MTF

 

I didnt say Bika would beat Froch, I just said it'd be a great fight.

 

You know it's crazy how styles make fights! Let me have a go at it. Bika beats Froch. He's more wild than Pascal and much more heavy hand. He drops Froch some time over 12 just off will not skill. Mundine is too crafty. Kessler & Bute would box his ears off; with a whop sided work rate. For some reason call me crazy! I think he beats Joe Cal.:dunno: I think he jabs his way pass Andrade. J. Taylor would drop him because of bad defence. So I'm saying he is a top five guy; in very hot division! Oh yeah! He beats the hell out Inkin ( Sorry for spelling).artien the wheels of steel!

 

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I hate Calzaghe but.... Joe would shut Froch out with the greatest of ease.

 

Fruck likes to pull back every now and then and time some scrub onto a hail mary uppercut,... that is where he feigns the appearance as this 'devastating' puncher,...but even Ottke could have been devastating if opponents ran in to his shots with full force, Hopkins indulges in this shit all the time and it really is one of the most bitch-cowardly ways of fighting available, but Carl is what he is the pale cobblette, he can't help it,.. this is why I'd looove for him to face Andrade,.. because Libs would draw the inner woman out in Fruck, this so called tough ruggered English hard-arse would be made to run like a girl, and heaven knows how he'll be ever to talk or act the way he does after he's had his balls dangled infront of him like a pair of mistle-toe beans. I must also take the oppurtunity to declare that Fruck's self and groupie proclaimed 'iron-chin' is a myth, he's been buzzed on several occasions and held desperately on to his hopeless opponents. Speaking of 'Billy' Jean, this loss proves that obviously, it's time for retirement, the fight was a suggestive precursor that he will never amount to anything, and now that he knows this, it's of no use harming his health for the sake of prolific undercard pay.

 

wooo, beat Calzaghe, easy there.

 

Even if the fight started in the 5th round with Foch automatically having a 40-36 lead on all cards I would pick Calzaghe to win by clear UD.

 

Frotch is way out of his league thinking he could compete with Calzaghe, he was hit many times flush by Pascal, and if he had any power to speak of, Frotch would have hit the canvas several. I wouldn't mind seeing Carl fight Miranda, that would be an awesome scrap.

 

Froch would stop Miranda late now. Miranda is damaged goods after the beating Pavlik gave him. I rather see Froch-Andrade, or Froch-Bika.

 

Yeah if Pascal cant beat Froch, he'll never be elite. Kessler, and Taylor would fuck Pascal up.

Pascal would provide a good test however for either of the Andre's... Ward, or Dirrell.

 

I'm not even sure Frock would get past Bika to be honest.

 

u guys are funny acting like caz's an invincible monster. I have 2 words for you. Starie and Reid. Froch would give him a good fight

 

Doubt he could Mex, doubt he could, may he beat Bika's brother, Felacio Zuniga?.. I think not, Carl's paper belt is in trouble, even if hennesy can fertalise him with the kind of litter that kept Markus Beyer and Sven Ottke alive, he's still under considerable stress.

 

Frotch has zero defense. His power IMO is overrated, but he does seem to have decent stamina and a good jab.

 

I think you guys underrate Froch a bit

 

Jesus, most of us underrated the Fighting Farmer in a pretty big way :jaw:

Strangely, it was the Pascal fight that made me like Frock, I guess I still thought he was pretty scrubby.

 

he still sucks coch

 

Nah, he's orsum, and whupped your boy Boot.

 

bute was never my boy. i just thought he would beat froch because froch is shite. apparently bute is made of tissue paper. though i never saw that fight, nor froch vs pascal. why would i be a fan of a frenchman?

 

WTF, you haven't even seen his fights Vs Pascal and Boot?

Frock is true world class, like it or not. Sure he looks like a sloppy, Fighting Farmer, but he can fight.

 

Froch is much better than I ever thought. He's still can't beat the best guys at 168, but he's solid and tough for sure.