Observations and Questions regarding the Mosely/Tony fight.....

If you can't see that something can be bad and still be under-rated, then you're stupid. Plain and simple.

I can think of a thousand examples. But you can't think of one? Now "that's" stupid.

What if I were to call REED illiterate? I'd be under-rating his reading skills because clearly he can read. But that doesn't mean he's a good reader. Or that his reading comprehension isn't 6 standard deviations below the mean.

You're a fucking idiot and I've never seen you root once against a black fighter who's not fighting another one. So you're input is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. You're every so-called insight is driven by nothing short of your agenda to prop up your race, which in most cases means downplaying the achievements of other races.

I can't even believe I'm writing this because I told myself a long time ago you're nothing but an old-timer racist, and what would be the point of exposing you as such. Why not just gloss over your triple fried bull-shit. But you pushed my buttons there. So there you go. You're a racist fight fan. Must be frustrating as hell in this day and age. Here's hoping you like football and basketball too.

 

Who Double L? That's all I can think of. Margarito's defense is his offense. That's all there is to it.

 

There were a few people saying that.

Not just here. Manny Steward said it a few times during the Cotto bout.

 

margaritos defense is below average, everyone knows that. some do under rate that he manages to avoid shots occasionally. against cotto he did a decent job of picking off some shots. against mosley his defense looked OVERrated and was especially horrible. whether that was because of mosleys speed, or margaritos lack of respect for his power i dont know? but mosley could not miss him and mosley hasnt looked that accurate in years, even versus stationary guys with equally poor defense.

 

I think it was down to Mosley's speed as opposed to any perceived lack of respect for Mosley's power.....everytime i saw Margarito grin after Mosley landed, i took that as a gesture of respect. I think Margarito only knows to fight one way, and so carried on doing so with the faith that eventually his sheer persistance would turn the fight in his favour.

That is as sharp as i have seen Mosley in a meaningful fight since the first De La Hoya meeting ....Margarito's style may well have amplified that....but i think you can look beyond, how accurate the shots were, and look at Shane's movement and demeanour as a whole.....it was remarkably different to how it has been in recent years.....he was so much more relaxed, confident....aggressive.....he was fearless

 

dsimon writes:

Do yu actually observe things when you ejacuate at the mouth so regularly?

It is quite obvious to anyone with one eye that Margarito can't take it to the body and that it has nothing to do with his temple... geez youare something else! ::::

 

Did you leave your six-week rehab stint five and a half weeks early? Is Stinger your daddy?

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Sounds Good to REED, but it'd NEVER Fly w/the Fighters....They Grow ATTACHED to the Guys who Wrap their Hands...

For Instance, Kirk Johnson PAYS a Guy that Does NATHAN Else Except Wrap his Hands B 4 Sparring & Fights...Dude Doesn't Give ANY Advice or Anything...Strictly a Handwrapper...

It's Kinda like when U Find a Good BARBER; U Become Attached::...
REED:hammert:

 

REED's "Comprehension" is Below the Mean, Huh???...

Well @ Least REED "Comprehends" the DIFFERENCE btwn "You're" & "Your", DUMBFUCK...



REED:hammert:

 

in other words, you cannot refute any of what i've said because none of it is disputable. glad and proud to have been there for you to explain how something 'bad' can still be underrated.

 

REED you're sharp as a whip and you know it. We just don't always agree on things.

 

i guess i'll have to tack that up as your not having watched Margarito/Santos II. Either way, I'm happy that you find yourself so amusing.

 

I don't recall many hypeing Margarito's defense ever :laughing:

they guy has always been known for his chin which obviously means he swallows alot of headshots.

the funniest thing is that I"m reading that this was probably Shane's best carreer performance. At the same time Margarito was a bum all along.

somebody explain to me how that works? :dunno:

 

Nobody other than 1 or 2 people are saying Margarito is a bum....but he did lose to 36-7-8 year old Shane Mosley...but maybe the defeat won't loook so bad if Mosley goes on to a have a decent late career....by beating Cotto in a rematch...or Williams..or Clottey...

 

Come on, REED, you are a shrewder observer than that... When has Shane EVER ran around anyone??? That has never been his style, he is always a confrontational, close range fighter... his movement is usually a little bit lateral but not much else... only people who don't know shit from shinola about Mosley would have predicted that he would be dancing around Margarito

 

good point. question is: could Mosley have beaten a Margarito with loaded gloves?

 

Probably....Margarito didn't land much that night, but that how he usually start...eating alot..landing a few...but as the fight goes on the punishment from his iron starts to pile up and opponents start to slow down...

 

You've got issues son. First Oscar and now this...you must be on suicide watch. Have a drink and an 8-ball and calm down.

I'm chalking your latest outburst to falling off the wagon. You act as though I didnt want Pavlik to beat Hopkins.

 

What is this foolishness about Margarito's defense being underrated? The only way it could be worse is if he had no arms and one foot caught in a bear trap.

 

I see you have a racist agenda as I do.

 

Knock that shit off.

 

That would be quite a feat in this situation since I'm not Black or Mexican. But on the other hand...wRONg King has been known to accuse me of hating all Mexicans when I get the better of him in a discussion. ::

 

There's exceptions to every rule. And maybe it's not motivated by race. But a lot of us here root for fighters based on the culture or sub-culture they represent.

In my case, I preference for certain fighters over others comes down to a few factors:

1. Their willingness to fight opponents the public wants them to fight
2. Their style - I can't stand spurt fighters or grapplers or round steelers.
3. The degree of humility they show
4. The frequency at which they fight
5. A defense developed well enough that holding for them interferes with their gameplan and makes for exciting fights
6. A willingness to trade with their opponent
7. The willingness or inclination to throw combinations

And this explains why I hate fighters like Calzaghe, Hopkins, RJJ and PBF who do not fit the majority of the above criteria.

It's rare that a fighter satisfies all 7 criterion I've listed. So another factor is the degree to which they don't meet it. For example, PBF doesn't hold, has a well developed defense, but he's the poster child for arrogance, hasn't fought a single opponent the public's asked him to fight since moving up from lightweight, retires every other year, and in general does not trade with his opponents.

 

Another example where I rooted for a white guy over a Black guy...

Pavlik over Taylor (how many YEARS have I said Taylor is a bum?) In fact, that ass kicking and willingness to fight Pavlik again made me like the guy.

I could keep going, but Double's already embarassed himself enough.

 

U Don't Owe Doub an Explanation, Muzse...

This is a Guy who OPENLY LOATHES (Not just DISlikes, but has DISDAIN for) Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather & Other Black Fighters, yet when he's CALLED on it, he Says it's a "Stylistic" Issue:boohoo:...Remember his "Hippety Hop" Fighters Thread...

So for HIM to Play the Race Card (when he HATES for it 2 B Played AGAINST him) is BULLSHIT...



REED:hammert:

 

Based on Sat night, forget gloves, Marg woulda needed a loaded GUN to beat Shane. Plastered hands wouldnt have improved Margarito's lack of speed any.

 

not to take anything away from Mosley, aside from the fact that his holding was pretty blatant, but for you to say that loaded gloves would not have changed the course of that fight is highly questionable.

people have pointed to Cotto's boxing from corner to corner in the past, as he did against N'dou, for example. But he only did that in the later rounds when he was tired and convinced he couldn't knock his man out.

Against Margarito, he did it from the very start. And never stood his ground. Is it not safe to assume that this was because he didn't like getting hit with a brick?

Like I said, it was the same situation with ODH. Has he ever run from an opponent the way he did Trinidad (who in my opinion was illegally wrapping his gloves at that point)?

The point I'm making is that if Mosley were getting hit with bricks, even a few ones now and then, don't you think he'd have been forced to fight a completely different fight? One more resembling the one he fought against Forrest in the rematch?

Also, loaded gloves allow fighters to retain their stamina much better, because they don't need to put as much muscle into their offense. Remember those lead right hands Trinidad chased ODH down with towards the end of the fight? They were thrown with seemingly minimal effort and yet he was backing ODH up with them.

Now, compare the absolute exhaustion Trinidad (and Margarito) experienced when they were forced to fight without the aid of loaded gloves. Have you ever seen Margarito as fatigued as he was, even early in the fight, as he was against Mosley? And the same goes for Trinidad.

What do you think would be more taxing? Chasing someone around with brass knuckles, or putting your might into hitting him with 8 ounce gloves in the hopes of hurting him?

The bottom line is, Mosley's camp was smart, Mosley fought a good fight, and whether or not it was premeditated or not, hit Mrgarito where he's most susceptible - the temple. This was demonstrated in the second Santos fight when Santos hurt Magarito badly with a shot to the head. Shots to the chin? Not so much.

Although Mosley's left-hook was a thing a beauty and was what started Margarito's reeling, I think it was the temple shot that rendered Margarito a zombie in the following round.

 

calm down with an 8-ball? you're ignorant on all fronts, aren't you?

 

It certainly calmed down John Belushi.

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everyone knows Belushi died from a speed-ball, not an 8-ball. again. ignorant on all fronts.