Klitschko-Haye in doubt.....are the brothers making silly demands?

.....make of this what you will.....


fightnews....


Former world cruiserweight champion David ‘The Hayemaker’ Haye has offered to box in Germany on a K2 Promotions show in order to revive negotiations for a summer showdown with WBO and IBF world heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko. Originally scheduled to take place on June 20 at Stamford Bridge in London, Haye’s eagerly anticipated duel with Klitschko has hit a series of snags in recent weeks, and now appears on the brink of collapse. Haye’s trainer and manager Adam Booth says the Klitschko camp has distorted some of the facts. “David will fight Wladimir anywhere they choose, and give them the two rematch options they have requested….what they’re also demanding is that if David were to win against Wladimir and then have a mandatory challenger obligation (non-Klitschko) he would have to immediately vacate the title he won from Wladimir. This would mean David could win three fights against the Klitschko brothers and still not be in a position to officially call himself heavyweight champion of the world at the end of it. They (the Klitschkos) would make exactly the same money in Germany as they would in England because we have dropped our figure to go to Germany. If they take a proposed fight with Chris Arreola, they will make substantially less. So people can now work this out for themselves.â€￾

 

dsimon writes:

It is like a lot of us have been saying..... The Klits do not give a shit about their fans, or about the division... not one bit. I doubt they will fight Haye, as they are scared of a real puncher on the up and up.

What is sad is how some members here like Mitchell Kane (who I am otherwise fond of) encourage this BS by saying that various feather fisted guys with no chance of winning are more deserving of a chance to fight as a mandatory... So that the Klits have all the excuses they need to fight the likes of Chagal, Valuev and whomever the next no puncher is.

 

The fight should take place where ever the hell Wlad wants it and its as simple as that.

 

When you talk about avoidance of punchers you need to make the statement reserved strictly for Wlad. Vitali has proven he's tough enough and has the heart to fight big punchers.

Now when it comes to Wlad, I completely agree with you and have been saying for years that he's been avoiding big tough punchers, and if that report about their negotiations is true, it show that even his own camp knows he's one quick chincheck away from a loss.

Wlad is just what HBO needs, a great white hype. The big problem is that he's from Deutschland and is chinny.

 

I can't believe your need to bring up my name in every thread Klitschko/Haye thread.

Not sure why I should have to fucking clarify my position every time your panties get in a bunch.

I've never said every mandatory was more deserving. That Rahman was the "highest" available contender was a joke...which I stated.

But there are contenders that are more deserving. Povetkin's certainly one, but he got injured so he's waiting.

What's interesting is you go on and on about "protection" of Wlad, and then go and on to excuse the proection of the Hypemaker, who hasn't yet fought any relevant heavyweights.

 

Corrie Sanders, Samuel Peter, Lamon Brewster x 2, Hasim Rahman, POS, D-Train...these guys are nothing if not punchers.

Now, what "punchers" are in the heavyweight division who he is apparently avoiding? Surely you can't mean David Haye, because if that guy is a puncher, every single heavyweight is. He's done nothing to prove a single thing @ 200+.

Wlad may be chinny, I'll never argue otherwise, but he's not avoiding anyone to preserve a record. Especially not some mythical "puncher", who doesn't even exist right now.

 

Most of those guys dwarf Wlad which is why I said BIG tough HW's. Even then more than half of them managed to drop Wlad more than once. Rahman has been an overrated piece of shit for years and by the time Wlad fought him he was also over the hill and was never a guy I considered a puncher. The only argument he even has for that is a 1 punch KO over Lewis.

Still this argument I make is so old it hardly even applies now. The division is in such a shit state that I don't even know if anyone is around who meets the requirements for Wlad to be ducking them. But just in case, it appears they've done a little contract wiggling just to be on the safe side.

 

Wlad will be a lot better off fighting Haye than he will fighting Chris Arreola.

 

I agree. Haye's a lot shorter than Arreola right? Hell he isn't even a natural HW, he came from cruiser. I don't even know why Haye is pinning for this fight so bad. He's going to get his ass handed to him as he'll find the same problems fighting Wlad that Peter had fighting Vitali. The size discrepancy is just too big. It doesn't matter that he's probably twice the fighter Wlad is.

 

Lol, Wlad is one, if not the, most protected number one guy of his division

 

Klits are two faggots that are trying to monopolize the heavyweight division/titles...with their lil faggotry dreams...



and


Haye..i have never seen someone bitch/want a fight so bad just to get KOTFO....

 

Based on what? You saying it? Put an argument forth. I'll humor you.

 

I already done that in the Wlad-Rahman thread with Mitchell Kane and UGTBK

 

Copy and paste it if you will. If you want to make a point, make it here, or fuckoff out of it.

 

Originally Posted by Azazel View Post
no surprise here that it was a garbage fight and a pathetic performance by Rahman. Wlad is a fucking disgrace to have chosen Rahman as an opponent, he's so shot that it is not even funny. And no surprise that the Klitshko claims Wlad avenged their honnor because Rahman used to talk trash about Vitaly, eh no he didn't, he fought a corpse far remove from the man who had Vitaly running. And we're supposed to annoint Wlad as the big thing in the hw division, but fact is, event thought the division is garbage, he doesn't even fight the top guy's unless they are featherfisted, the last risk he took was vs Peter, and Peter turned out to be, as shown in his fight vs Mccline, Maskaev and Vitaly, a slow moving barely punching plodder. In other words, another garbage man. Yet he put Wlad on the floor 3 times.

 

It's interesting you mention Arreola, since some reports have it that his people are being rather picky in who they'll put him in with at this stage.

 

I believe he has an April 11th date on HBO vs. Brian Minto next.

 

It could be an entertaining fight, but Minto hardly seems like a quality opponent for a supposed top contender...or like the kind of fighter HBO should be putting on their air.

 

dsimon writes:

True enough but I will tell you this my friend. Those guys work together as a team. Every bout is planned with respect to what is best for their agenda as a whole so I tend to think of them as a whole, but true enough about Vlad as compared to Vitalie

 

dsimon writes:

Yes you have clarified your position. The hype maker is:

a)in shape unlike Sam peter for example who is pathetic and gave a pathetic effort

b) has a weapon that makes for an interesting fight unlike any including Potavkin.

You are hostile towards Haye its your right and I was noting your position as beong representative of a vocal majority/minority. Hey I am hostile towards Povtrkin or whatever the latest powder fisted Eastern Euro who has a right to fight for the championship is. Its boring they won't beat Vlad or Vitali next?

 

Whatever, they're all the same.

Just stop typing my name.

 

dsimon writes:

And here is tam with the "lack of perspective perspective" Another common point of view. Ok picture it is the early seventies the heavyweight division is rocking with frazier, Ali and Norton perhaps and Foreman and BOOOOMMM!!!! Here comes this cruiserweight DAvid Haye... is he a puncher? hell no! RElatively speaking he is a scrub and should probably stay at Cruiser.

Now? in this division claiming that haye is not a puncher not a threat? Well yeah and cheatin is cheatin. Its a point of view just one I do not agree with.

 

dsimon writes:

and Karl over here who catches much shit... has a sense of perspective and some common sense imo. Thank you Karl that is imo absolutely true.

 

Besides having fought them all and there being no one to duck this is very true... ::

 

agREED...

So when's Vinny Maddalone's HBO Debut???...



REED:hammert:

 

Sure, apart from Chagaev, Potvetkin ( yes I know he was supposd to face him), Haye, Valuev, Ruiz and Gomez, you know, all the top hw not named Klitshko, he fought everyone:notallthere::notallthere:

 

I tell you what irritates me about the Klitschkos?.. thier skin. I dont like it. It's not the way, the division should be, and the more they linger around, the more desperate I get to pin some irrelevant rubbish against them. They are ducking, other heavyweights.

 

......i am still baffled by the indifference that is shown by some toward this fight....as if they are satisfied about the state of the division, and that it is ok for it to carry on trudging along in the same lumbering fashion that many of the sloths in this division epitomize with their embarassing efforts in the ring

then a guy comes along, with a wealth of pedigree, both amateur and pro....plenty of belts on the mantle piece (which seem to count for a lot to anyone else that steps up a weight)......someone with real ambition, genuine confidence......we all should be welcoming this guy in with open arms.....but no, he's expected to get in that long, fat-ass line that resembles a queue at KFC more than the gauntlet of athletic titans that should be pounding down the door of any heavyweight champion ....you see, there are different types of hunger here

 

dsimon writes:

Damn dude you said it so much better than I have been trying to.... Can I borrow this post? :dunno::bears:

I mean no disrespect to any poster and maybe I should have let adamiw speak for me on this issue, ads maybe I should from now on... but this is exactly how I feel.

Now let me ask a rhetorical question: Is the champion of the division responsible for more than simply taking the mandatory? Is he in any way shape or form responsible for taking fights wich present a challenge to him? or that the fans perceive as such? sure Haye might go down in the first round but there is interest in this fight what is the harm in doing it because the fans are asking for it?