THOUGHTS ON TONIGHTS FIGHTS

JOHN-JUAREZ

As usual Rocky didn't punch enough. IMO John clearly won that fight and the funny thing was I knew he would get robbed. It was just something in the air or maybe the fact the announcers kept alluding to it but I knew Juarez would either get a win or a draw.

As it stands I think Rocky is just too small. Everyone he fights seems to be able to capitalize off of that advantage and he's taken some pretty good beatings. I think he should retire. John didn't overly impress me, but he's a pretty good fighter. I'm not dying to see him again though.


MARQUEZ-DIAZ

First of all Diaz impressed me from the start. I was shocked by his power, defense, will, and confidence. JMM showed what greatness was all about in that fight by beating a bigger, younger, more energetic guy. Diaz just slaps too much though. You can always see that JMM is putting mustard on every shot he throws, while Diaz is just slapping away. I was rooting for JMM but felt bad for Diaz. I had it 4 rds for JMM and Diaz was on his way to being at 5 rds as I felt he was winning that final rd before JMM landed those finishing blows on him.

I don't think JMM can beat Hatton if Diaz damn near dropped him. Same goes for JMM fighting Pac who will be better acclimated to the weight.

At any rate 1 pretty good fight followed by a very good fight.

 

Yeah, i picked John by SD just because i thought the judging would be biased. A lot of other posters thought the same way. It was a fight that was all but a lock to go the distance and most people knew Juarez would get any round that was close.

Chris John won the fight as expected though. If it was held anywhere other than Houston the cards would have reflected that.

If Juarez won the fight 8-4 and was given a draw i don't see HBO trying to downplay the decision like they did.

Nothing really surprised me tonight.

 

Chris John was robbed (no one should criticize Germany from now on)

Marquez got lucky.

 

Lucky he didnt kill Diaz.

 

Sorry, I haven't read any of the other threads but I assume I'm in the minority in thinking Chris John was not robbed.

This was a clear case of Sam Kellerman bias loving of the slick, zero power boxer winning rounds by landing grazing shots and seeming the quicker of the two. Juarez was obviously landing the more damaging shots throughout. I don't care to see John fight ever again. He's a boring octopus.

Flame away but I thought a draw was about as fair of a decision as you could have. Lederman giving the final round to John was laughable.

 

I don't care how good of a talker Kellerman was, there was no way he could convince me that Juarez constantly walking into John's shots while hardly throwing punches of his own should have merit Juarez a win. Wasn't that John throwing 4 or 5 punch combo's off of Juarez' head while Juarez had to constantly reset because John was no longer in his range? Also Juarez wasn't throwing great punches himself. His shots often looked sloppy and not very solid and to be honest this surprised me about him. Only time he looked good was the last 2 rds and I think I could only find 4 rds to give him overall.

Yep, I'm sure of it, it was a robbery.

 

Lederman gave the final round to John? I didn't even notice that. ::


I have no real desire to see John fight again either but i still think he won the fight. I agree that Rocky landed the harder blows in the fight, but they were simply too far and in between.

I think the rounds Juarez won were more decisive than vice versa. The problem is even with a "slant", i didn't see him winning 6 of them.

Yet again his laziness cost him when everything was obviously on his side.

Perhaps Shields should just tell Rocky "it's the last round" every time he's in the corner.

 

I think Rocky's problem is he's lost too many big fights and has no confidence. I think that's why he doesn't let his hands go. The MAB and JMM fights, though good for his bank account did nothing for his career as he probably should have been rebuilding his confidence rather than going for title shot after title shot against all time greats.

Dude needs to get a job while he has a few brain cells left.

 

I said I thought a draw was fair. Not that Juarez deserved a win. John has a very good beard. Juarez hit him with solid shots throughout. John may have been throwing 4 or 5 punch combos but this ain't amateur boxing. He had zero pop on them and most of them missed or were grazing shots.

I always hated Manuel Medina because announcers would slobber over his punch numbers but he'd be doing nothing but throwing about 1200 noodle arm punches thoughout the fight, landing 10% of them if he was lucky.

 

Nah, he was never going to beat those guys anyways regardless of how much confidence he would have. He's simply a level below the elite fighters and always will be.

I think it's one of the few cases where building the bank account was actually better for his career.

This won't be his last title shot and also won't be the last time he gets outworked.

 

Rocky is definitely a frustrating fighter to be a fan of. He's just way too patient. At the same time he may have extended his career and his bank account by fighting this way. He's too slow, short and defensively deficient to be much more aggressive without getting hurt in return.

 

He reminds of David Tua in some respects. He has a punch and can take one. Whereas Rocky is not as inept at boxing as Tua is, he doesn't have the true one punch KO power.

They both seem to get easily discouraged and take their foot off the gas pedal. Sometimes inexplicably. Obviously it can't be easy fighting taller rangier guys who can outbox you. At the same time it's pretty obvious what your strategy has to be in some of those fights.

Guys like Tua and Juarez lack that extra gear that it takes to fight through fire.

 

Diaz fights nothing like Hatton. JMM would school the shit out of the holdman.

 

Marquez' power @ 135lbs is legit. Nobody else hurt Diaz like that before, and he KO'ed Casamayor too. I also like how he's turned into a cold blooded killer in the ring, while still keeping his finesse and textbook technique. I would like to see him against Guzman now. There's nobody else at that weight worth the time.

 

Hatton's an entirely different obstacle than Diaz.

 

dsimon writes:

Very true.

 

Are you swayed yet, lib 4 lib?

 

Oscar said last night that a rematch will happen, and it will be on HBO.

 

Not if Floyd comes out of retirement.

 

Rematch? With whom? I hope you don't mean Marquez-Diaz II. What's the point? Diaz was completely destroyed. He should retire and stay in school.

Cupey

 

I meant John-Juarez.

 

That was a great fight last night Carlos, Juan didn't win, but he's not going to quit for a long time to come, and fought like a man and lost like a man.

Marquez was more badly beaten than Diaz was facially, his face and forehead were very swollen, and he got stitches for that nasty cut he suffered, he just landed the big bomb and sucked it up in a ring classic.

 

LOL, Diaz is a poor man's Hatton. Hatton is stronger,faster and hits harder than Juan Diaz. Hatton would KTFO of Marquez.

 

Marquez didn't just land a big bomb. He broke Diaz's ass down and it was only going to get worse for him. Instead Diaz just got KTFO.

 

Cosign

:bears::bears::bears:

And, exactly as I predicted, JMM destroyed him with uppercuts. Course I missed the round (i said sixth) and I predicted that he'd make it back to his corner where they would stop it.

Not sure if Karlo went apeshit or not though - probably not, as the baby bull didn't "quit":hammert:

 

i was very impressed by Marquez tonight. looked to me like he had a very difficult beast to tame in the bigger, younger, fresher and more active man in Diaz... and he tamed him with clever combinations and precision punching.

 

Diaz however is going to law school.... is Ricky? Huh?:nono:

Didnt think so.

 

texas better not have a difficult bar exam. juan diaz, the latino lionel hutz

 

Listening to Diaz talk... it baffles me that even graduated High School.

The University of Houston Downtown must take bribes from this cholo or somethin.

 

Perhaps you can do better?

Let us first start with your real name here and academic qualifications for all here to see, ok?

The ball is in your court, we all want to see.