BAD round by round

Every time I see Joel Julio lose I say to myself, "Thank you, Dan Rafael."

 

dsimon writes:

I really think as said before that Ortiz is history repeating itself... like Nando I think he will walk through his comp until he gets to the elite level. I guess it is what he should be doing thats the bottom line yes?

When I look at Ortiz I think about how crazy things are. haha. Lets see if this kid is the goods but i doubt we will for a while...

 

Yeah, he didn't react the way I would expect a good young fighter to.

I was very disappointed.

 

Other than Oxnard, Top of the Food Chain, I don't see the comparison between Vargas and Ortiz as fighters.

And saying he was the best fighter on the card may not have been as big of a complement as it sounded.

 

Especially for a southpaw that fights the way he does, and constantly puts his head in position where it's vunlerable to being cut.

 

Absolutely, good point.

It's like some of these guys don't understand anything. You're fighting on HBO and in front of your home crowd... why give fans and networks a reason to think twice about paying to watch you again?

 

Watching the replay right now...Max took a shot at Guerrero during the main event, asking Bob if he thought if Kirkland was cut by an accidental a headbutt and asked if he could see, fighting in front of his hometown fans, he would say no I can't see and don't want to fight.

 

Yeah, I made note of that.

 

Last night was supposed to be a big night for Guerrero. The first HBO fight card from San Jose, his first time televised fight on (regular) HBO and first real fight under the Golden Boy banner.

And his people had done a lot of leg work for this event...getting him on a lot of local television outlets in the Bay Area - like the ABC, CBS, affiliates - for interviews, and coming to some of the press events. He even got pretty good fight week coverage from the papers (at least as far as newspaper coverage goes).

It was a very disappointing night for him.

And the other thing is, he hasn't had a lot of rounds the last couple of years...especially hard rounds, and he's gonna have to go back on the shelf with this cut. And when he does come back, he's probably not getting another Honorio or Ruiz.

 

But U've Gotta Give Kirkland CREDIT for Relegating Julio to "Constant Retreater" Status...Julio Obviously DIDN'T Like his Chances of Standing his Ground & Trading w/Kirkland...

agREED that Ortiz was the BEST Fighter on the Card...Either that Kid has TREMENDOUS Power or Arnaoutis' Punch Resistance has DRAMATICALLY Decreased...

That KO was VERY Reminiscent of Vargas' KO of Dan Connolly, Back N the Day...



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The Ghost was always had a huge hype machine behind him. Back when I was a boxing writer, I used to receive three or four e-mails a day from his publicist (Mario Serano I believe his name was) updating me on every aspect of Robert's life.

 

Well, there's only so much a wide-punching fighter with poor technique and little defensive prowess can do when a fighter crowds him. But even at that, Julio completely lost the plot. It looked like he was punching as a purely defensive mechanism, just trying to keep Kirkland off him more than anything.

Kirkland was constantly came forward and letting his hands go, and he gets credit for that, but then, that's his style. That's really the only direction he can go.

It works against this level of fighter, but his footwork and his defense will betray him as he moves up in class.

 

Yeah, he's got a dedicated publicist, but it's not just in the boxing community.

Because of his success, winning a world title, and his personal story (and the story of his wife and her battle with leukemia), he has gotten a lot of positive mainstream attention in the Bay Area media and Robert has accomodated just about all of their requests.

In retrospect, maybe a little too much for this fight.

 

missed the card last night...watching now....did fucking Max Kellerman say that "Sergio Martinez is looking to make a move to top 10 P4P in boxing" ???:notallthere::notallthere:::

 

Dan Rafael says that Finkel told him Ortiz will fight next either on the Pacquiao-Hatton undercard or a June 27th BAD.

Seems like a big gap between those dates.

 

Like i said months ago Ortiz is the future of the 140 pounds...whoever is the Champ 18 month to 2 years from now..be it Pacquiao/Hatton/or whoever is going to get beat by Victor Ortiz...

 

I can't believe osme of you guys. You're treating Guerrero as if he was Camacho Jr for christs sake.

 

I dunno, i like him a lot but i wanna see what happens when he gets put under pressure.

 

It seems early to me to be calling him the future at 140.

I don't think it's clear who the best is among the prospects at the weight (among guys like Ortiz, Alexander, Peterson, Alvarado).

Ortiz really hasn't had a lot of fights where he's had to go rounds, and his chin needs to be tested (and proven).

He's got a decent guard and he's pretty economical with his punches...which is interesting for a fighter who appears to have legit punching power.

He tends let his chin follow his left hand, and his stance seems pretty wide, and I think he could work on shortening some of his steps in.

I would like to see him use his jab as more of a punch and less of a range-finder.

 

Well, Ortiz is Now a CONTENDER as Opposed to a PROSPECT...Sadly, MOST Contenders Fight 3-4 Times per Year Max, which Averages Out to Every 3 Months or So...


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I still view him as both. He'll be fighting contenders, but the kid s still young, evolving and relatively untested. He remains a prospect in my eyes.

 

In terms of ranking, he's a contender, but I don't really consider him one yet.

He's somewhere between to two...he's more like a PROTENDER.

It seems like a long time to way considering how easy last night turned out to be.

If he is going more towards the 3-4 times a year, and is only going to fight on one of those cards, that should be represented in the type of opponent they put him in with.

 

Ortiz COULD B, but agREED that it's Still PREMATURE to Hoist that Label Upon him...We KNOW that Ortiz Can Blast Out Slower Guys who Stand N Front of him, but HOW will he Cope w/a More MOBILE Fighter???....Or a Guy w/SUPERIOR Handspeed???....

REED Would Pick Ortiz Over Kendall Holt RIGHT NOW (Maybe Even Hatton), but the Jury's Still Out on How he'd Fare Against Guys like Bradley, Alexander or Peterson...STYLISTICALLY, they Could Give Ortiz Problems....



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:: Nice...


REED:hammert:

 

Agreed. As of right now, I'm not sure he could handle Bradley.

 

No doubt, that was quite a nasty gash over his eye from a pretty hard headbutt.

 

You would pick him over Hatton, the champ at 140 but you don't know how he would fare against freaking Alexander? I understand your point about styles but Ortiz is too young and green for Hatton or Bradley right now but IMO he beats the featherfisted Alexander, no doubt. 140 is looking good, I think Peterson is for real as well.

 

If there was a smiley that was smoking dope, you'd be looking at it right now.

Ortiz just beat Arnaoutis. It's a good win. But implying that Hatton and Holt are easier fights for ANYONE than Bradley and especially Alexander. would be... That's just hard to imagine.

 

Use your imagination, LOL. I actually agree with Reed. Hatton is on his way down and Holt is chinny as fuck which would get him koed in a bad way against ortiz.

 

Exactly...

We're NOT Talking about the Hatton that Beat Tszyu or Maussa, it's about TODAY's Version...CLEARLY, Ortiz PREFERS to CounterPunch, he has Pretty Good SPEED & Seems to have TRUE 1 Shot Power...& he's a NICE SIZED Jr. Welter on Top of that...

Bottom Line, Victor Ortiz is a BAD Matchup for TODAY's Version of Ricky Hatton....As for Holt, that Same Counter Left that Staggered Arnaoutis would've Probably KO'ed Holt...The Uppercut CERTAINLY Would've...



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