Margarito handwraps....contained NOTHING..

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On September 29, 2001 before the fight between Bernard Hopkins and Felix Trinidad, team Hopkins sent a representative from their team to over-see Tito's hands being wrapped. When their representative arrived he was shocked to see that Tito's left hand was already wrapped, signed off and the boxing glove was on. In an exclusive interview Bernard Hopkins (said), "I sent my team in there to watch Trinidad wrap his hands and when they got there
Trinidad's left hand was already wrapped and he had his boxing glove on. So my trainer, Bouie Fisher who has been doing this stuff for a long time went over there to straighten it up. The thing is Trinidad has been getting away with doing this for a long time. I know for a fact that he has done it at least one other fight. They are used to being able to do whatever they want and get away with it. That is how it is in boxing."
First of all, you have to wonder who this commissioner was that let Don Felix wrap Tito's hand without anyone from the Hopkins camp being there. Hopkins said, "not only did he let him wrap the hands without us being there, but he was in there joking and laughing and talking Spanish with the Trinidads like they were best friends. When Bouie told them that he would have to take it off and rewrap it in front of someone fron their camp, he said "NO," its
already wrapped and it's too close to time for the fight to start. Bouie had to go to the head commissioner before they were made to rewrap his hands."
Luckily for Hopkins, Bouie Fisher is old school and he was not going to let this fight go on with Tito having wrapped his left hand and nobody from his camp watching it. "Bouie kept telling them, either we do this by the book or we don't do it all," said Hopkins.
It didn't make since to Fisher why the Trinidad's were so insistent on not rewrapping the hand because obviously they knew the rules. They have been in enough of these big fights to know that a representative from the other camp is allowed to be in the room while they are wrapping Tito's hand. Even if the New York Commission's Representative didn't know any better, the Trinidads definitely did. The Trinidads went so far as to actually say, "If we have to rewrap Tito's hand then there will be no fight."
Why was this left hand wrapping so important to the Trinidads?
Finally, after the head commissioner became involved the Trinidads were told to either rewrap the left hand or the fight was off. After much argument, they finally agreed to rewrap the hand with a member from the Hopkins team present.
Tito was made to remove his glove and the prior wrapping in front of Hopkins representative Naazim Richardson who noticed that the wrap looked very thick and when he felt it he says it was as hard as a rock. All the sudden it became very clear why they had tried to get away with wrapping the left hand without anyone from the Hopkins camp watching and also why they didn't want to remove it and rewrap the hand.
Don Felix began to rewrap the hand again, but Richardson noticed that Don Felix was putting layers of tape and then gauze, tape and then gauze, tape and then gauze which is not in accordance with NYSAC rules. The rules stipulate tape cannot be applied directly over the knuckles, and that repeating the process several times (is not permitted).
In an interview with Bernard Fernandez of Philly.com, Hopkins said, "If you put on tape, then gauze, then tape, then gauze, it's like a [plaster] cast. It's like being hit with a baseball bat. I'm giving out some secrets here, but you can dip your hands in ice water and that tape will, like, marinate and become harder. But it's only cheating if you get caught. Personally, I think Vargas' and Reid's people dropped the ball. Naazim did a brilliant job in spotting what [Felix Trinidad Sr.] was doing with the wraps." Don Felix was also putting tape on the skin and over the knuckles, both of which are not in accordance with NYSAC rules. New York's head commissioner put his foot down and made Don Felix wrap in strict accordance to the rules.
Don Felix has insisted in several interviews that, "I have always wrapped Tito's hands this way and nobody else has ever said anything."

 

Tito's name should not be mentioned along with this fucking cheater Margarito. I wish that fight would have been made years ago! Tito would have iced the SOMOVABITCH withing 6 rounds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Banned for life.

No question.

 

I dont see Hopkins in there admitting to anything:dunno:

He says this is a secret technique (wetting the wraps)

he never says he himself does it

also, how many times has Bernard been even accused of using illegal wraps???

 

'A secret handwrapping technique' ?..

"But it's only cheating if you get caught".....

If you hold this philosophy, which he obviously does and it's leant plenty of credibility in line with his esteemed career-long conduct of filthy tactics in the ring,.. does this 'beautiful soul' stop short and draw the 'moral line' in regards to this 'secret technique' ?...

"It's only cheating if you get caught".... and from which point of view does that line of thinking come from the adorable Hops?... the point of view of himself being injured by an opponent with illegal wraps?.. or from the point of view from someone who indulges in these 'secret' techniques himself?..

With that in mind...I tend to think that yeah,.. there's some... what shall we call it?.. 'old school'...things, happening with Hops behind the scenes...

 

At least spell words correctly when you call someone an idiot. :doh:

 

dsimon writes:

Dude if you want to be a writer here lets see some metaphors when they are appropriate.... "The substance in Toney's Gloves was as wet and hard as my penis after viewing a Raquel Welch movie marathon".... :stir:

And Toney was such a cheat that he made John Maddoff blush and cry foul!

 

dsimon writes:

Hello? you have just been owned and your hypocrisy is dully noted: You cheated! you took something out of context and attributed it to Hopkins and now should shut up because somebody pointed this cheating out.

I will repeat Cdogg's description: "Gee Hopkins never said he did that he was describing Trinidad." Nuff said indeed... Double L junoir get a new cause celeb leave Hopkins alone. Your rants are becoming more Double Lish by the minute and it is not cute at all.

 

Luis Resto is Puerto Rican and he's universally despised among boxing for loading his gloves.

Resto did both actually. Removed padding, and put Plaster of Paris in there. At least 3 times in his career.

 

Oh dear, I appear to have caused some collateral damage again,.. From what I can gather, this seems to be your way of easing the pain. I really dont mind helping out somebody suffering with compulsive explosions of inner torment. I imagine it must be unbearable for you at times, so by all means feel free to quote my posts and do what you feel you need to if it helps. Im not concerned with the literal content as you may be aware I find it a little difficult to take personally, so it's ok,....Im more focused on the pathological condition that is causing these reactions,..afterall, like with just about anything...you've got to uncover the root cause, if you are to ever fix the problem.

 

Yes,.. but that's only because he got 'officially' caught,.. :crafty: ..whereas with the Tito incident... thanks to a member of the commission laughing and joking about the loaded wraps with the Trinidad camp,... he never was "OFFICIALLY" caught, it's pretty easy to make illegal wraps dissapear,..but a bit difficult to flush a padless glove down the toilet,..therefore groupies can indulge in an evasive game of 'he said, she said', "it didnt happen it was just a terrorist conspiracy by the haters"...infact I recall reading something along those exact lines, said by a member of Tito's camp :crafty:.

 

Margarito was "officially" caught too, so of course he's gonna get a ton of hate.

Trinidad was the only one out of these 3 who wasn't "officially" caught or punished so naturally he's not gonna get as much hatred.

 

Which 3 times? I didn't know he used plaster, too.

 

I don't know which fights, he said it during an interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omQ0QrU3_1o

 

So you are now accusing Hopkins of using loaded gloves?

 

Maybe that his opponent instead of looking like this...



will end up looking like this!

 

dsimon writes:

Ohh in that case by all means continue your hypocricy, Jonathan Swift was won't to suggest eating the Irish babies to solve the hunger problems during the great potato famine, but he was joking. Its ok to put your head up your ass if you speak obtusely and in riddles. Its also ok to give the impression somebody coped to something if you are after all exposing the root cause and we all know hopkins is as you say yes?

Your not a sensable lad Kaulki. ::

 

Yes Im afraid so,... but it's like the court possessing the record of a deviant's history on his numerous breeches of general law. Hopkins clearly has no respect for any concept of 'rules', irrefuteably illustrated by his blatant contempt for the rules in the boxing ring, further transcended by his dishonourable, sociopathic behaviour outside of it,... additionally, his direct personal philosophy for boxing,.. is "that it is only cheating........................if you get caught'' ....keeping in mind that he could have potentially recieved permanent damage and an end to his livelyhood, if those 'cheating' wraps had not been pulled up,.....one must ask, is he sympathising with the Trinidad's for plotting this dangerous scheme against him?....("it's ONLY CHEATING IF").....or is he expressing this point of view from somebody who indulges in wrapping 'tricks' himself?...., or is it a bit of both?,......this is alarming,... Does Hopkins have the 'respect for ethics' to refrain himself from implimenting some 'illegal handwrapping secrets' into his boxing game?...Maybe he could do it in the same manner he slips in his glorified low blows,.. "while the official is on the blind side"...? His tactics in the ring,..are consistantly devious,... so why would he inconsistantly jerk in a completely different direction and abide by the rules on his own accord, when he doesn't have to?...He can take advantage of poor regulation, in the precise way he does it in the ring?.........According to Hopkins,.. the difference between illegal wraps, and legal wraps, is just getting it through to the ring, undetected.

...Im not " blindly hatin' " :nono: I'll express the system behind my shorter statements if you ask me to,...but you still might not like it, sometimes you might not even read what you asked for :nono:.

 

This post is even more ridiculous than mikE's.

 

Yes,..for a second I thought I detected a little hostility,..? Oh dear,..and perhaps a little more in this post too,... I cannot help but wonder about your latest session of anguish, which I gather is being caused by the opinion that Hopkins may indulge in illegal handwrapping techniques, based on his lack of respect for the rules,..and additionally his direct lack of respect for the rules in concerns to illegal handwrapping techniques?,... Well,..I illustrated that to Cdogg above if you're really interested to read my systemic thoughts on why that is,...

But if you'd just like to express more pain as a result of accumulative wounds, :dunno: well, go ahead, express yourself.. I'll let you have your private time when you quote my account, unless there's something I can do to help?

 

So with a stack of "evidence" that isn't even valid enough to be called circumstantial, you are now saying that Bernard Hopkins uses loaded gloves

What "IN THE RING" evidence would you like to show us that actually supports this outlandish claim of loaded gloves?

 

You know I would need a clear and 'permissable'::, video of filming Hopkins and his team using some illegal handwrapping 'tricks' directly before one of his fights and to film him walking all the way up into the ring with them, .....to a staunch groupie, only that would be enough,.. Afterall,.. most if not all Hopkins groupies remain completely silent on his foul ridden, cowardly tactics in the ring to which THERE IS VIDEO EVIDENCE :crafty:!!..
I could not convict Hopkins or even Trinidad in a court of law, based on my systematic 'suspicions' alone.... I am just an anonymous nobody like everybody else on a boxing forum. Comments of him professing his expertise and knowledge on illegal handwrapping, then anchoring it with ''giving away things here'', and then dropping the bomb,.. "But it's only cheating, if you get caught"... intertwined with Hopkins great affinity with devious illegal impliments, together with his general sociopathic behaviour,..It does form the impression that yes,.. he may well have tricks up his sleeve,..or should I say.. up his gloves, 'IF HE CAN GET AWAY WITH IT',.. it falls perfectly in line with the flagrant, proud, cheating he does in the ring.

In regards to 'In the ring' evidence do you mean.. the way his Hopkins opponents react while being hit?... We saw this with Trinidad,.. but..with Margarito.. whom I do believe has used his 'pads' before,.. we didnt see any reactions from his opponents suggesting 'super-human' power,.. but always more of a slow accumulative process.

Why is this of concern anyway Cdogg?... is the thought of Hopkins using illegal measures to gain victory, offensive?.. :dunno:

Im not saying that it is what you're thinking,.. .......but, if so, :nono::nono::nono::nono:!!!!..it's rather a dettached, myopic and self serving point of view,.. to dissect cheating into 'minor categories'.. that eleviate themselves, on the basis of them being 'not as bad'.. as loading gloves..?

 

Are you blind or a moron?:boohoo:

 

You tell me. One of those guys was hit with 267 punches (237 power shots). The other was hit was 108 punches (78 power shots).

Tell the entire story. I hate Margarito as much as the next guy, but I won't let faggy Cotto fan boys get away with BS either.

 

right, some are even arguing that Cotto would murder him next time, when he hit marge with everything he had and did nothing.

 

So let me get this straight... demanding more proof than some half-assed quotation in order to prove that a guy loads his gloves makes one a "groupie"???

Get the fuck out of here with that shit

If this was a white fighter from anywhere other than the United States, you wouldn't even be devoting any attention to it

 

kauki got a fetish for euro wonderboys. All his pussies have gotten fucked the shit out of them. He's a weird poster. He's sick in the head and nobody should give him any attention.

 

So, we are both blind morons then? ::

 

Anybody who's determined to defend, or moreso change the entire structure of boxing and turn it into a dictatorship to suit one fighter, wether it be through fucking up the rules, or oppurtunistic cherry picking,.. is most definitely a groupie, yes. Id figure that would be a pretty solid definition,.. basically somebody who puts the boxer, before boxing.

If this was a white fighter from anywhere other than the United States, you wouldn't even be devoting any attention to it

Since you wont give me a systematic breakdown regarding your suspicions as to why this is,.. ...Id just like to mention that, this could be revealing towards some of your own inhibitions perhaps?, could it be, the fear of your own empathy?.. you know, like from where did you harness the energy to generate this sentence?... :dunno: ...In this case,.. there is an accusation of double standards towards potentially a white person, supporting white fighters,... as if it were different to Black and Hispanic people supporting thier own..? I am not European,.. most of my favourite fighters from juniorwelterweight to heavyweight happen to be black, - Jermaine Taylor, Shane Mosely, Joshua Clottey, Paul Williams, Tim Bradley, Sakio Bika, Steve Forbes,...but I sure as hell dont support them, due to the fact that I might be scared of wrist-slapping americans who will brand me a racist if I dont. Such an appauling attitude, at times makes me feel obligated to defend white people,.. there's a difference,.. 'defensive'... as opposed to 'offensive' ....are you absolutely certain,.. that you can see no reason, as to why anybody could hate Floyd Mayweather, James Toney and Bernard Hopkins... inside or outside of the ring?... do you really believe that it just has to be race related?... Are you determined to hold your ground, thinking that there cannot be a list produced of other 'possible reasons' as to why I dislike them?...:: ... One last thing,.. the two noteable white fighters to have foul ridden styles, Wlad and Hatton,..I've expressed major resentment for on numerous occassions,.. thankfully, they aren't as popular on this board, and thier felonies are not propergated by forum members nor the media calling it "defensive wizardry" when it's just outright fucking illegal instead.