Sam Peter - Eddie Chambers

Muscle weighs more than fat, and apparently Peter has build up really impressive stomach muscles, as he weighed in at 265 lbs which is eleven pounds more than against Vitali. Chambers is @ 223

Chambers should outbox him. Chambers did ok against Povetkin, who is faster, more skilful, more accurate and better conditioned fighter compared to Peter and hits as hard

 

The Peter will Insert Himself IN, errrrrrrrrrrr, ASSERT Himself UPON Chambers...Even though he's a LARD ASS, Peter KO 8...

"WHO NEX???!!!"...

REED:boohoo:

 

If Peter doesn't knock Chambers out, I can't see him winning a decision.

I'll go with Chambers UD.

 

Chambers by UD

More of these kinda fights on ESPN....:bears:

 

dsimon writes:

This is a cash out fight for Peter. He is going back to the drawing board after this one.

Chambers will win, I don't know if Peter makes it the whole way but at 265 I doubt it. TKO 10th round.

As slow as he looked against Vitalie I don't think he can hit anyone. Even in this division.

 

Peter sinks them in well,.. probably better than any other heavyweight infact,.. it's the one lone aspect of Peter's game that is rather impressive and effective,.. he commits to the body, and does so with good speed and power... Chambers will block a degree of it,..but not enough to reserve his own stamina levels and take advantage of the fatter bastard's dwindling activity late,.. if Chambers survives past 7,.. this fight might well be one of the most sloppiest messes in recent memory.

 

Chambers UD

I'm thinkin Chambers will beat Peter to the punch and counter effectively enough to a pretty clear decision. Sam will run out of gas.

 

The Winner Should Get LIPO...The LOSER Has to Do 1,000 CRUNCHES...


REED:mj:

 

Argh I was willing to bet Peter would quit around rounds 8-10 out of frustration and exhaustion, but it´s only a ten round fight, in which case Peter will last the distance. Can´t believe I didn´t take the +175. :bangh::bangh:

 

I hope every fat heavyweight dies in the fucking ring.

 

dsimon writes:

:bears: I am beginning to get thoughts like this. Peter wouldn't touch a decent heavyweight in his condition right now

 

I hear ya. Guys who are in lowering weight classes often get slammed as being "unprofessional" for being as little as pound over, and yet rarely get paid a quarter of what these fat asses do.

Naturally a lot of these big guys simply can't be slim and trim. For some fighters it's basically a body type. That said how often does a guy coming in at a career high in weight look impressive?

I don't think rules should be changed for heavyweights but i can still voice my disgust.

I just don't see it being fair that some fighters who go through hell in training camp are often forced to forfeit a large chunk of their purse for being only slightly overweight. Then at the same time as a heavyweight could literally do NO training at all and balloon up to 400 pounds.

They step in the ring and do not much other than hold and lean on people for as long as their fat ass can stand it.

Payday is still the same as when they signed the contract.

 

David Tua is fat.

And so are these two.

This was actually a worse fight between "contenders" than the infamous 80's Tony Tubbs - Greg Page Man-Boob Championship of the world fight.

I've watched heavies during the 70's, 80's, 90's and this decade...and this is easily the most crappy time for heavies that I've ever seen. It actually makes me miss the pre-Tyson 80's era.

 

LOL. Saying "better conditioned compared to Peter" is like saying...

...has a better defense than Margarito

...has a better chin than Terry Norris

...is more disciplined than Judah

Any others???

 

What a snoozer ... I turned it off.

 

Agree with everything else you're saying, but the highlighted is a BS excuse, IMO. Nobodies genes are so bad that they could dedicate themselves to a sport as demanding as boxing like Joe Frazier or Evander Holyfield did and still be fat. And conversely there isn't a human being alive with genes so good that they can be as half assed as 95% of the slobs in todays division and still be a worth watching.

As i've said before - start measuring heavyweights body fat and punishing them for being over 12% in the same way lower weight fighters are punished for being over limit. Take purses, strip belts, ban them for fucking life, whatever it takes. This fatness epidemic is responsible for 95% of the divisions shittidity level.

 

dsimon writes:

Good to hear you confirm it Joe... My feeling exactly.

 

Peter is done...and Chambers isn't going anywhere....why do todays heavy suckkk so much? Looking back i don't remember heavy being so sloopy,slow and unskilled...

Even these guys that have decent amateur careers look like SHIT!!!!

some of these guys today make chuck wepner...randall cobb...look GOOD...:doh:...these guys were not very skilled(just like todays) but they had balls/heart they kept on going..mostly..

 

Let's just wait that the lightheavyweights take over. They have done well in the past too; surely they will be able to tackle the worst heavyweights ever.

 

Oh definitely. 100%. And let me add a third pernicious side effect that I think we can thank this lack of proper training for - a lack of heart in the ring. Attitude during training translates on fight night. In social psychology there's a principle called commitment and consistency - the further you get into something the harder it is to get out; the more you invest in something the more you value it. When you've given every ounce of your manhood & pride in training and you've pushed yourself to levels you didn't even realize you had in you, on fight night YOU DON'T FUCKING QUIT LIKE A BUM! It means too much. 70% of heavyweight fights I see today and 95% involving slobs involve somebody tacitly quitting within the first 3 rounds.

 

Which Lightheavy champ, especially during the decades that I mentioned, took over the heavyweight division during previous eras? When has the heavyweight division been overrun and dominated by former lightheavies? There is no precedent for your scenario from years past so I don't know how anyone would expect it to happen now.

And actually...two of the less impressive performances by a heavyweight "Champion" against a lower weight fighter came during this decade when John Ruiz was outclassed not once, but twice by former Middleweight champs.

I know, for some reason, you feel the need to be the defender of this down time for heavies...but c'mon, these fights, and most of the fighters, suck. I just don't get your fascination with this current crop of heavies. Can you really say you watched the Chambers-Peter fight and found anything to be impressed with?

 

Who can beat the guy here in the United States?

 

Many lightheavyweights have done pretty good in the past and even against the best of heavyweights. Since the heavyweight is now in ruins, shouldn't it be likely that lightheavies do take over? This would be just the right time. That has not happened. And John Ruiz' fights against Jones and Toney are comparable to a top- challenger fighting small guys, not the champion.

I have said it many times that most heavyweight fights now suck. I have also said it that the fighters of now do not possess the traditional kind of boxing skills that we have seen in the past.

I am simply looking for answers to these questions:

1. Why has no skilful smaller guy taken over now? The time should be correct for that and we have had some good light-heavies and cruisers lately. Instead, heavyweight limit has been risen all the time. Is that for no reason?
2. Why is there not even ONE 'well-trained' guy out there? I can understand the explanation about people now lacking heart etc. but shoulnd't it be plausile that even one hard-working, 200lbs guy would really put some effort together and win the crown that would produce him millions?

 

I usually like to read your posts, but sometimes you nearly fall over bending backwards trying to be the Devil's Advocate.

I'm still waiting for the list of Lightheavies who did really well during the decades I mentioned. You're making a generalization (like Jaws does sometimes) and I don't see any facts presented to back it up. And if you need to go all the way back the 1940's and before then to make a point...I don't see how that point is relevant now.

And as for the Cruisers, outside of Holyfield, I can't think of one other Cruiserweight who has been a special fighter. So it's not just now...the division has been pretty mediocre since day one.

 

And I hate it that whenever I post, yo or somebody else try to figure out my intentions of doing it. I assure you: I am serious with this. Maybe I am completely wrong, that remains to be seen. In fact, I am not trying to win any argument here. I try to see all sides of this thing instead of repeating the same mantra everybody does.

Doug Jones did well in heavyweight. Bob Foster did. Michael Spinks. Many, or in fact most top challengers of 1960s and 1970s would be cruiserweights now.

I see that some of these guys were greats and still did not take over the division. But now that the division is as poor as it is, wouldn't it be plausible to think that good light-heavies would do good now? Roy Jones and James Toney can be called great, and they scored a total of two victories over top-10 challengers, one of which was changed to a NC.

As for the cruisers, they have never been in the limelight but Vasily Jirov had better amateur career than Holyfield and looked real good at cruiser, J C Gomez had a good string of victores (medicore opposition though), Al Cole was the cruiser champ and a complete scrub as a heavyweight. So even though the cruiser fights seem much better than heavyweight ones, there seems to be a gap between the divisions.

So could you answer the questions please (and I assure I won't try to figure out your motive).

1) Why has the heavyweight suddenly turned bad when no other division has?
2) Why has none of the smaller, fitter guys (newcomer or someone from another division) taken over?

 

First of all...you need to do a little homework when discussing the fighters you mention. Bob Foster did TERRIBLY (and not in the Tim Witherspoon meaning) as a heavy. He was outclassed whenever he stepped up to the heavyweight division. And not just to Ali and Frazier, he was also beaten convincingly by Ernie Terrell, Doug Jones and Zora Folley. Can you show me ONE quality win at heavy for Foster? Foster was a complete failure at heavy.

Micheal Spinks managed to get past an aging Larry Holmes, but then sat on the title and hid from all capable challenges for years until finally getting KOed in one by Tyson. In a historical sense, Spinks' time at heavy enhanced his overall career, but when you look strictly at his time at heavy it wasn't all that impressive.

Doug Jones was a good fighter at lightheavy & heavy, but was never close to "taking over the division" or even becoming champ. He was competiitve against the better fighters in the divison, but usually lost. Jones was like a heavyweight Oba Carr...good enough to trouble the best around, but not good enough to beat them.

Another example is Eddie Mustafa Muhammed...a very good Lightheavy who embarrassed himself at heavy.

1. Who knows why the heavies currently suck? The bottom line is that they do. There seems to be a lack of training and fundamentals. Hell...if I knew the answer to this I would be rich and probably not wasting my time here talking to you guys. ::

2. During the modern era, fighters from below heavy moving up have not been all that successful and I don't see why now would be any different.

Holyfield is only real exception, and even he was a heavyweight waiting to happen, even during his cruiserweight days. So unless another Holyfield appears (and how likely is that to happen?? How often does a fighter like Holyfield come along?), it's not likely that a lower weight fighter will take over.

There has always been a gap between the heavyweight divison and the divison(s) below it. It's not just now...it has always been that way. And to be honest, which fighters from the Cruiser and Lightheavy divisions look like special fighters? I don't see any. Hell...folks are not even sure that Adamek can even defeat a 40 something ex-middleweight champ...how is he going to dominate the heavyweight division or even be a serious factor?

Even if I accept your reasoning (and nothing personal, but I really don't) that Michael Spinks did really well at heavy....he was one of the Top 5 light-heavies ever and the very best to some folks. So...if we're going to make assumptions and leaps of faith (which is what your #2 question is based on), I would assume we would need a fighter at least as good as Spinks to even make any real impact on the heavyweight division. And since even Spinks, outside of the first Holmes fight, didn't make much of an impact on the heavies (because he was hiding under the covers until the big Tyson payday came along), we would need an even better lower-weight division fighter than him to take over the heavyweight division. So...when that Lightheavy/Cruiser fighter who is better than Spinks comes along, let me know and we can see how he does at Heavyweight.

 

So apart from fights not looking good, what exactly is the proof that heavyweights are bad now? They appear fat and they do not fight the same way as the older generation? So what? Since we are not seeing anybody beating them "the old way", then how do we know they could be beaten by the guys of the 1980s. This is pretty much the question I am looking to solve. So far I have not found an answer.

An example: John Ruiz didn't do very well at heavyweight when he first arrived from cruises and used basic techiques. Then he added pounds and began to fight in ugly manner and scored at good string of victories. So in my opinion him turning into bad actually made him better. The same might be going on with other heavies: they don't look good, but it might be that that way wins them fights. Maybe the boxing tactics have changed, maybe the refs allow more wrestling than before, whatever. I would just want to find a better explanation than that nobody in the world likes to train anymore

 

I think this is true and I think you're right that it's a factor. :shit:

 

Thanks. I've always been a fan of the heavyweights and it really pains me to see the division like this.