Cotto Blasts Against Margarito. Believes He Cheated in Their Fight

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No longer dancing around the subject, WBO welterweight champion Miguel Cotto believes that Antonio Margarito had loaded gloves during their fight last July. Margarito stopped Cotto in the eleventh round in brutal fashion, leaving the fighter’s face grotesquely swollen and bloody.
Margarito’s hand wraps were confiscated about thirty minutes prior to the bout with Shane Mosley on January 24. Two hard inserts were discovered in the wraps. On February 10, both Margarito and trainer Javier Capetillo had their licenses revoked by the California State Athletic Commission. Documents from the Department of Justice laboratory revealed that Margarito's hand wraps contained calcium and sulfur, two of the primary elements of plaster of Paris. A report dated March 19 disclosed that the two found elements, when mixed with oxygen - make plaster of Paris.
Cotto believes that Margarito, like Panama Lewis, should be banned for life. He doesn’t believe a punishment of one-year is enough.
“They attacked not only me, but my health. God only know how many they used it, with Mosley, me and before me. They must bear the full weight of the law. During my career, I have received punishment in a number of fights, and I’ve never been so swollen as I was when I left the fight with Margarito. In the heat of battle everything felt normal, but my face didn’t say the same thing. And for a few weeks afterwards half my face was swollen,†Cotto said to El Nuevo Dia. “Like I’ve said, the case of Panama Lewis was exactly the same and he was suspended for life.â€
Cotto may file some of sort of an action, he is going to talk it over with his team and figure things out.
“We will get together to see if we are going to engage in some form of an action. Things will be discussed during the course of the week. From now on, all the victories and all the good that he did in his career is tarnished. What I regret is that we always climb into the ring confident that we are going in on equal footing but that did not happen here," Cotto said.
And Cotto told the paper that he refuses to buy Margarito’s excuse of “not being aware of what his trainer placed in his gloves.â€
“We [as fighters] are all aware of what we place in our hands and we watch the process in the dressing and would know if [the wraps] were adjusted or not,†Cotto said.
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If he's incontrovertibly guilty he should be banned for life and should serve time.:shit:

 

What about other cheaters, steroid users and such?

 

Well given steroids utterly stinky success rate in boxing I don't think the two are remotely comparable. And even if they were, along the ethical spectrum of dirty cheating shenanigans, illegal training aids (steroids) are still shaded out by illegal performance aids (Lewis/Pryor, cheating in the ring etc) and come way, WAYYY before taking what amounts to a god damn weapon into the ring. In my book, anyway.

 

I understand your point and I am not criticizing it. IMHO however drawing the line is difficult. After all, steroids and illegal taping have the same purpose:to make you hit harder to hurt your opponent more. There might be a difference between them, but I am not sure if the difference is as big as etween an eternal ban and nobody giving shit

 

Like you say it's hard to really pin down a logical argument for why one is worse than the other. They're both definitely cheating but where a year ban for steroids seems proportionate to me, plaster cast wraps just seem way worse and I'm having to think this through to justify why. But my gut tells me it is.

Three reasons I can think of -

1) the size of the advantage. In boxing, loaded gloves are just a way bigger advantage than steroids.
2) the potential for damaging the other guy with your cheating. Self explanatory.
3) the directness of the cheating. This ones definitely a bit more vague, but there just intuitively feels like there's a difference between maximizing a training camp and tampering with the equipment and conditions of the match itself. Maybe there's no justification for that, but one just seems more subversive to the sport or something. At least more brazen and arrogant.

 

You should keep asking that.

 

So what happens now? Does Margarito go to court again now that it has been confirmed he was using this Plaster Substance? Or does he only have the 1 yr suspension? I personally Dont ever want to see Margarito fight again but would love to see Cotto get revenge.

 

dsimon writes:

Actually I made a very cogent argument here for the difference between the different ways of cheating:

It has to do with the intention of the action. Steriods are a performance enhancement... they are taken to enhance one's overall performance.

loading the gloves is done directly to hurt the opponent it is not done to enhance or any other indirect way...

One way of cheating is intended to harm the other is intended to enhance... the difference is like if I murder somoene with a hammer because I am angry compared to with a knife I bought for the sole purpose of cutting somoene.

Now there is a cogent argument! So you can respond to it or consider Steve Dave's advice maybe? ::

 

But what is the "overall performance"? Isn't it exactly harming your opponent as much as possible? And since you blatantly take those, there is nothing indirect in it. Handwraps hurt your opponent more than steroid, but I don't see the difference between purpose. It would be like attacking someone with hammer or with a stick: if you hit with the hammer, worse things will happen and that is why you get a worse punishment but the difference is not that great

So by all means, let's discuss the subject at hand and not try to think what is our intention behind it, shall we? Stevedave can't, maybe you could

 

now plasterito is making excuses:


"The plan is to make a fight [in Mexico], and then I have a rematch with Miguel Angel Cotto. Then I want to face Shane Mosley, and demonstrate that it was just a bad night when Mosley beat me in Los Angeles," Margarito told ESTO .
"If I was strong and in good shape, I would have beat Mosley. It's not an excuse. I could not control my weight properly. That's why I am going to hire a good nutritionist."

 

dsimon writes:

No not really. A linebacker wants to brain the Quarterback in American Football and is allowed to try... a boxer en route to winning rounds is allowed to try to brain his opponent. Now think for a second.... If a linebacker eats pills to get faster and stronger he might make more tackles, including hitting the QB harder, but also other types as well. but... if he specifically puts something in his shoulder pads that makes him hit like a brick wall... there is a difference. One is general the other is specific. One is designed to make the person better athletically the other is really designed exclusively to harm.

The difference is why we distinguish types of murder in our justice system. Sure murder is murder (Judge Tam::) but premeditated murder is different than a crime of passion and manslaughter for example.

When you cheat you can cheat in any number of ways ona scale. You could put bad vaseline on the other guy like Brewster did to Vlad :: all the way to simply walking in late to psych your opponent out... there are ina word degrees of evul and malintentioned shenanigans::

 

I can sympathise with Cotto's outrage,.. but it's going to be pretty hard to prove that Margarito had loaded his hands against him in court, unless a forensic team can analyse the precise age of the blood stain absorbed into the pad. Personally, I believe THEY WERE used in his fight with Cotto,..as it doesnt make any sense to hurt or KO your sparring partners, and if the blood was drawn against a lesser opponent PRIOR to Cotto,.. why skip the seemingly undetectable wraps with everything to gain financially and beyond for the biggest fight of your life? ...then only use them for Mosely, who had previously lost to Cotto.

 

did someone hack Kauki account...

 

The subject at hand isn't steroids. It's Margarito, Cotto and a bad situation involving hand wraps.

 

Unlike you, dsimon (and Huthut) was able to produce a good, well-reasoned answer. So please stop ruining the thread

And if you really were too simple to see the connection, here it is. The usage of steroids usually gives you a 3-6 month ban and a small fine. So that is why we have to first clarify the distinction between these two so we can discuss the suitable punishment for it

 

And please stop taking threads off-topic. Your point has been made in several threads.

If you want to discuss steroids, start a thread.

 

I edited my last post so you can see the reason

 

This thread is about COTTO, and his belief that Margarito loaded his gloves for their fight. Do you think that's possible? If you don't feel like discussing the topic at hand, please stop ruining the thread.

 

Margarito is more delusional then Double L if he really thinks he will get a rematch with Cotto.

 

Cotto would fight him again.....just not in Mexico..and money split 75-25...80-20....in Cotto's favor..

 

Well, it's going to be a while before Margarito can fight outside of Mexico.

 

WHY!?.. were you expecting me to defend this shit?..... I'd have to have the scruples of a Tito groupie to even dare try,..instead,..I love rules glorious, rules and regulations, I love em'.. absolutely love em'..

PS.. Different month,.. time to change the infant in your av mate,..

 

Y Cotto gets to put bricks in his gloves this time.

 

Trinidad never cheated.......artie:

how does it feel that the one fighter u been clinging on for years is nothing more than a fraud..a cheat....??? :atu:

 

NO....brickless fist/gloves...Cotto would put a clinic of pain on Margarito..what he would have done the first time around...if not for MargaCheato's...cheating...

 

Yep,.. it was aaaaaall made up. :laughing: ..day all jus lyin' day is coz day jus jeluce.

Now replace that proud father's daughter with a REAL woman,.. a real bulldog of a lass,..let's see if you can get the settings right for once, enough of the nappy infant fetish you scollup.

 

ummmm no, Cotto couldn't hurt margarito.

 

it all works together....Margarito bricks weaken Cotto a lot...who know what would have happen later in the rounds had Cotto not been weaken so quickly...and Margarito kept walking into Cotto's punches...