Man there is a nothing much to look forward to boxing-wise.....

With the exception of Pacquiao/Hatton (which will probably be boring since Hatton is involved), and is on PPV with a typically shitty under-card, there's not much to look forward to as far as fights on the horizon.

Donaire vs. Martinez should be good but it's on PPV.

Ward vs. Miranda will be a nice step up for Ward but hardly anything to look forward to.

Lopez vs. Penalosa? It probably won't be as competitive as it might sound.

Cintron vs. Angulo? This is the best HBO can do?

There isn't shit on the horizon. One could quit watching boxing for the next three months and not miss much.

Sorry to be so negative but there just isn't anything all that exciting in the near future. It's worse than I can remember if ever being. Just pointing it out.

 

What the Fuck R U Talking about, Doub???...There's REASONABLE Doubt as to Who will Win ALL of the Fights U've just Listed...Personally, REED has a HIGH Level of Interest N EACH 1...U Failed to Mention Froch-Taylor, which is Yet ANOTHER Fight REED has a HIGH Level of Interest N...

Perhaps this is a Post-DeLa FUNK???...


REED:dunno:

 

It probably is post-Castillo and post-Margarito and post-ODH funk.

And there's no sight of Raffy or Vazquez fighting anytime soon.

And I really don't think Penalosa has a chance against Lopez. I think Lopez will dwarf him in the ring and hit him with power that as long as Penalosa's has been he will never have experienced.

Like I said, I think Hatton will ruin Pacquiao/Hatton with his holding and grappling.

Juarez is fighting John again. And for some reason Montiel is fighting Eric Morel? When's the last time Morel won a meaningful fight?

It's just a lot of sizzle and no steak if you ask me when you really analyze the match-ups.

And check out the under-card of Pacquiao/Hatton - it's one of the worst ones I've ever seen.

Is Dawson really fighting Tarver again? Gimme a break!

Berto vs. Urango? When will Dibella realize that the we're onto his schtick of putting his guys in with smaller fighters? He did the same shit with Taylor and it probably arrested his development as a fighter.

I've never seen Froch fight; for all I know, he could be shit.

Pavlik is fighting Mora? OMG !!! More might be the one middle-weight that could render a Pavlik fight boring. And that's what we get?

I guess Cotto/Clottey is exciting but it's not until fricken June.

Wlad vs. Haye. Yay. Mismatch.

And Pavlik/Mora is PPV!!! WTF?

And you know Valero won't fight anyone decent in July and of course neither will Chavez Jr. who doesn't have his 50 wins yet, or whatever the fk it is his promoter's aiming for before he'll put him in with a decent opponent.

Wish Adamek were fighting again soon and I hope when and if he does it's not against RJJ or Hopkins.

 

1. Penalosa's Still CRAFTY Enough to Conceivably Make JuanMa Look BAD, which Makes the Bout INTRIGUING....On the Flipside, If JuanMa is Able to STOP Penalosa, that's MEANINGFUL N REED's Opinion...

2. By All Accounts, Hatton is CONVINCED that he's the BIGGER, STRONGER Man & he Intends to FIGHT that Way...For Better or Worse, REED Expects Hatton to BRING the Fight to Manny; to EXPOSE HIMSELF to Danger on the BELIEF that he's Bigger & Stronger...NEITHER Guy is a Stranger to BLOOD...Pac-Hatton's Gonna B a FAN FRIENDLY Fight & REED Expects a CONCLUSIVE Finish...

3. Juarez & John NEED to Do it Again...& Even Though Juarez Actually Started FAST N their 1st Fight (For a Change), he'll Need to Start Even FASTER N the RE...He PROVED he Can Hurt John & That Should FUEL Rocky to Let his Hands Go More...

4. Morel has NEVER Done Anything for REED....

5. ALL Golden Boy Undercards SUCK, Doub::...

6. agREED that Dawson-Tarver II is REDUNDANT, but Tarver had (& EXERCISED) a Rematch Clause...Hopefully Dawson Beats him even MORE Decisively than he did the 1st Time...

7. agREED that Urango is SMALL for a Welter, but he's Got a Bit of POP N his Gloves, he's AGGRESSIVE, Seems to TAKE a Good Shot & Will B TOUGHER for Berto than DiBella Anticipates, N REED's Opinion...Berto DOESN'T Like Getting Hit & Urango's GONNA Touch him...

8. Froch is "Good" Enough to Give Us a CLEAR Picture of where Jermain Taylor is...REED Thinks the WINNER Of this Fight is the LOGICAL Next Opponent for Kessler...

9. agREED that Pavlik-Mora is BULLSHIT...BORING Bullshit, to Make it WORSE...Kelly's GOTTA Fight Abraham NEXT or it's REALLY Gonna Start Impacting his Credibility...

10. REED's NOT Buying into the Valero Hype just Yet & DOESN'T Waste his Time w/Chavez Jr...

11. Even if Klitschko-Haye Ends Up Being a Mismatch, it'll B an ENTERTAINING Mismatch::....

12. Adamek's ALWAYS Got a RE w/Cunningham to Hang his Hat on, if Fights w/Bernard & Roy Don't Work Out....

Some of your Points R VALID & WORTHY of Criticism, but Things AIN'T Quite as Bad as they Seem, Doub...
REED:mj:

 

The best fight upcoming is Valero-Prescott on July 25th.

 

I can't believe John has to fight Juarez again. Rocky has had more unseccessful challenges for titles in recent times than anyone else I can remember @ 7:50am.

 

Damn! I didn't heard that one artie:
Bombs away!

 

Valero is going to ice Prescott early. Easy fight to predict.

 

except for Pavlik/Mora...the Dawson vs. Tarver rematch...and Juarez fight..any Juarez fight automatically sucks....all the fight u listed are good and should all be competitive....

Ward vs. Miranda...big step up fight for Ward ...

Berto vs. Urango will be very good if Urango carry his power to 147...


Wlad vs. Haye..will be a brutal early KO.....the build up...will be great....

Cotto vs. Clottey will be competetive fight...

 

Tam, you just gave me an idea for a thread

 

Madness

Froch-Taylor
Haye- Klit
Hatton- Pac

Three massive fights just weeks away...

MTF artie:

 

I think Berto-Urango is a really weak fight...especially coming off the Collazo fight.

Hopefully the Bay Area will come out to see Ward fight Miranda.

 

Well I'm a boxing fan and I can't wait to see some of those bouts. I'll Holla 5000

 

There is a lot to look forward to boxing wise. Simply that none of the fights involve Oscar, Castillo, or Plasterito - as I think you've come to realise.

Shit, even Prescott - Valero is an interesting fight, and should be exciting.

 

if Valero keeps knocking out guys in the first round his fights will not be worth watching, let alone on PPV.

Klit/Haye is crap
Bero/Urango "could" be unexpectedly exciting, but I think Berto's speed and size will be a big factor. Urango is completely unproven at 147 - just the way DiBella likes em.

I guess for me it's just a case of none of my favorite fighters fighting anytime soon, with the exception of Pacquiao, but he's in against a stinker so it'll probably not be as exciting as people expect it to be.

I could get excited about a Dawson fight if it weren't against Tarver.

And as far as Ward, you know he's going to stink the joint out with all of his running and leaping. Won't surprise me if he gets stretched.

I don't know. I guess it's just one of those transition periods of out with the old and in with the new, and nobody has really captured my imagination as far as the new comers.

Which reminds me that Linares is scheduled to fight but it's not being televised. There's a smart move. But don't fret. We get to see Chavez Jr. !!!! And on PPV !!! Ha ha ha ha. These promoters are crooks feasting on our obsession. Squeezing every last penney from us that they can and not delivering on their promise of great fights.

Valero/Pitula was supposed to be competitive - straight from the mouth of Arum. But what did we get? Two rounds of a 25 year old beating up a 40 year old. And 40 is fkn old for a 130 pounder who started his career lower.

It's crap.

The Bradley fight was disappointing because with the exception of the knock-downs it was so damn one-sided.

Looking forward to seeing Kessler fight again, and Andrade too.

But don't be fooled when it comes to Berto - he's crap. Hopefully, if he gets by Urango he'll make the mistake of fighting Mosley or even Judah and get stretched.

 

Just watch the UFC this weekend. It's better than any boxing happening this weekend.

 

I just cant get into UFC... the talent pool seems a bit thin

its so popular now though that I wuldnt be surprised if 20 years from now it actually has the better athletes than Boxing does

 

If you watch it expecting it to be boxing, you might be dissapointed. You have to know what you're looking at and appreciate other aspects of fighting to enjoy it. You're not going to see great technical boxing skills.

 

Oh I know that, I just mean the caliber of athletes I still think has a ways to go... but with its popularity, the overall level of athletes will improve vastly over the years

I can appreciate the skill required to be good at submission fighting, or martial arts or wrestling, those are all tremendously difficult things to master... I just dont find them as visually arresting as boxing

 

Until MMA (& Namely Dana White of the UFC) ADJUSTS its Ridiculous PAYSCALE, Boxing has NATHAN to Worry About...



REED:mj:

 

Let's not start this discussion. Boxing is fine, MMA is fine. Neither is going away any time soon.

 

1st of All, WHO "Suggested" Watching MMA in a BOXING Thread???::...2nd, as U Know, REED is a FAN of MMA & REED Was Only "Criticizing" MMA's Payscale, which is Clearly SHITTY...


REED:hammert:

 

The thing about MMA is that even some of the best fighters out there have only been doing it for a couple of years. So often you see guys with records like 4 and 2 fighting for a title.

And I can't get into the grappling and submission side of it. I like watching the fights when they're stand-up and throwing kicks and punches, but inevitably, one guy gets the advantage there and he's taken down and 9 times out of 10 he's grounded and pounded.

I have noticed though that it's become a bit more exciting than in it's infancy when the Gracie's were submitting everyone and the entire fights were fought with one guy on top and the other in full guard. Those were brutally boring to watch.

Now days the referee seems more willing to break guys up who are on the ground doing nothing.

Another glaring thing missing from MMA is combination punching - I guess the threat of a knee to the jaw will do that.

By the way, I'm not so sure the pay-scale is wrong when it comes to MMA. MMA shows, if you enjoy the sport, give you a lot more for your money with almost every match-up a closely contested fight. And hardly anyone is undefeated and their fame doesn't seem to suffer as much from a loss as in boxing. I think that's a page boxing should take from MMA.

This obsession with undefeated records that I think begun with Tyson in his hey-day and has been the holy grail for HBO has hurt boxing a lot. I mean you know there's something wrong when Jim Lampley, trumping one of HBO's few fighters that has a loss on his record, is apologizing for it somehow, or minimizing it, lest the audience realize they're watching mere mortals and not some super hero that HBO is so obsessed with creating.

 

agREED. Every so often I tune into MMA on TV and I usually end up flipping channels. I just watched one this weekend (or was it just before the weekend?) but it just didn't hold my interest. I understand and appreciate the work and skill involved in being good at MMA...but, for some reason, it doesn't do it for me the way boxing does.

 

What is the UFC event this weekend?

 

Anderson Silva (No Worse than the 2nd Best MMAist on the Planet) & Chuck Liddell R Fighting in Seperate Bouts...



REED:hammert:

 

No Doubt, The Matchups themselves R Generally EXCELLENT N MMA...

REED's Problem is, U Have SUITS like Dana White & the Zuffa Corporation Raking N MILLIONS from Each PPV, while MAIN EVENT Fighters like "The Dean of Mean" Keith Jardine is Making like 10-15 GRAND...That's CRIMINAL...Jardine's Fought just about EVERY Top LightHeavy, BEATEN his Fair Share of them, has Been the Subject of Televised "Countdown" Shows AND Been a Consistent Main Event/Co-Main Event Type of Fighter...

$10,000 is GROSSLY Underpaying him...Pretty Soon he'll Change his Nickname to "The Dean of LIEN"...


REED:hammert:

 

Ah...I just saw a commercial for that the other day. But to be honest...I think I only knew Liddell because I saw him playing himself on Entourage,

 

Well excuse me for suggesting people watch something good this weekend. You have become a fan of MMA, it was just a suggestion and maybe, just maybe someone else will tune in and find out they like it too.

I'm not into the whole boxing vs MMA thing. I'm a fan of both and always will be. I don't give two shits who gets paid what, as long as they sign the contract it's none of our business as far as I'm concerned. Nobody forces these guys to fight for what they make. It's up to them not us.

 

See the full fight card here.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=EventDetail.FightCard&eid=1921


Not the greatest card ever, but some decent fights for sure.