FREDDIE ROACH & MAYWEATHER INTERVIEWED AFTER THE FIGHT

Believe in Roach. He knows what he's doing, watch how he transforms Khan next.

 

How "Classy" was it of Freddie when HE Annointed Manny Pac "The Mexican Assassin"???...Playing the Racial/Nationalistic Card is Pretty ClassLESS N REED's Opinion...Look, REED GETS Why U LOATHE Floyd Sr., but U've Got an OFFBASE Opinion of Freddie Roach...Dude is as FAKE as a $4 Bill...He's EVERY BIT as ARROGANT as Floyd Sr. Is, he's just More LOWKEY about It...

Roach is EASIER to DIGEST than Floyd Sr., but he's Definitely FAKE...REED Actually Respects CONSISTENCY N People's Behavior...


REED:hammert:

 

GREAT Trainer, Probably THE BEST In the Game...But SPARE REED All this "Classy" Freddie Roach Bullshit...He's SELECTIVELY "Classy" & NOT the Least Bit Genuine...


REED:hammert:

 

For what it's worth...I've heard that Mayweather Sr. isn't a bad guy when cameras aren't around. he likes to play up when he sees cameras.

 

Which is Probably TRUE...Floyd Jr. CERTAINLY Is...

NOBODY is a GOOD or BAD as they Appear for the Cameras...For Instance, George Foreman is STILL a PRICK Behind Closed Doors, Despite the "Transformation" that Everybody Buys into....



REED:kidcool:

 

Reed what do you think of him and Moorer as a tactical team mate? I was quite impressed how well they seemed to work together.

 

I can co-sign to this...I've met Floyd twice and in both cases when his "boys" weren't around he was a cool guy.

"However"

As soon as one of his ass kissers came around he went into full jackass mode.

Also, something else I heard about the press conference...Floyd comes in late with his kids in tow and says something like..."sorry I'm late, I was at a strip club.?"

Even if that's an act...in front of your kids? Not to mention Roger's unintelligible profanity laced rant about Angelo Dundee?

 

Although you didn't ask me, I'll reply....

Moorer deserves more of the credit than Roach. Moorer, being a southpaw himself, could properly school Manny on how to throw the right hook inside Hatton's punches.

Plus, even though it's a snippet you clearly saw Moorer repeatedly going over this as well as the punch which ultimately KO'd hatton. Moorer talked about stepping back, stopping then meeting Hatton with the punch.

After the fight, Roach gave Moorer his props for those two points. Roach said it was Moorer who drilled the importance of the right hook into Manny's head.

 

I can't see anything classless about calling Pac the 'mexican assassin'. Especially in the spirit in which Freddie would have meant it, which was probably somewhere between totally harmless and mischievous provocation of small, parochial minds. If Pac had just beaten 3 Scottish fighters and he called him the 'Scot slayer' or whatever I certainly wouldn't have any problem with it and frankly i would have to be pretty precious to. Not like he called Pac the 'nigga-hanger' or 'border control sniper' or anything. I genuinely don't understand your antipathy towards Freddie, REED - is there any actual basis for it beyond a vague intuition that he's 'fake' (which I've personally never heard or seen any basis for)? Surely him anointing Pac 'Mexican assassin' can't be IT? :dunno:

 

That video left out the best part of the interview, which is where Floyd gets pissed at Kevin Iole for an article he wrote about a so called conflict between Sr. and Team Hatton. He tells Iole to get his mic out of his fight to get his ass on. ::

Starts around the 3:50 mark...

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:boohoo:

Time to Remove the KID GLOVES, Dude...

1st of All, YOU & REED BOTH Know that YOU Have a PROBLEM w/Elements of BLACK AMERICAN CULTURE...YOU & REED have Exchanged PM's Over this VERY Issue & YOU COULDN'T Even Deny It...

2nd of All, do YOU have any Actual BASIS for YOUR Antipathy Towards Floyd, Sr. OR is it Based on YOUR "Vague" & HISTORICALLY ANTI-African-American Mindset???....

Didn't YOU Used to Post Over @ BoxingFanatics, a Predominantly MEXICAN Site???...If So, REED SHOULDN'T have to Tell How UNpopular that "Mexican Assassin" Shit was...Fuuuuurthermore, Living in CALI of All Places, Freddie Roach SHOULD have Been More SENSITIVE to the POSSIBILITY of Offending People w/that Remark...A Remark that Manny Pac CONSISTENTLY DISTANCED HIMSELF From, by the Way...REED Can't Think of a More PRIDEFUL Group of People than MEXICANS...

It's YOUR Business to HATE Floyd Sr., but U're Playing Him AGAINST Freddie Roach & Portraying Roach as Some Sort of Saint, which is Complete BULLSHIT...The FACT of the Matter is, You WANT to LIKE Freddie Roach...But even Morseo, You WANT to DISLIKE Floyd, Sr...



REED:hammert:

 

True mate, very good points, given Hattons previous struggles against southpaws Moorer was a great addition to the camp to get Manny prepared. I hope this partnership can continue for a long time, it's a great set-up they have there.

 

:: Yeah ... I thought the same thing.

What did he think, Hatton wouldn't see that?

 

So was REED...& the Fact that Moorer was a SOUTHPAW Himself Can Only HELP Manny's Camp...



REED:bears:

 

I think it'll help tremendously. Mayweather kept talking about Manny not being able to fight going backward (which is true) while Moorer talked about stopping and meeting Hatton with punches.

Manny went to the ropes early and hatton got off shots. Once Manny stopped doing that he started to catch Ricky. I'm sure it seemed like Manny had four arms.

:doh:

 

Yep...

Moorer was Also STOPPING Manny N the Middle of Mitt Work & REMINDING him to MOVE his Head as he Threw the Right Hooks...He'd even DEMONSTRATE the Proper Way to Throw It...

As Looooooooooong as Moorer Keeps his EGo & CONFRONTATIONAL NATURE N Check, he'll B a GREAT Addition to the Team...The GOOD Thing is, Moorer Seems to RESPECT Roach Enough to Play his SECONDARY Role...


REED:hammert:

 

Honestly I don't think it was that classless. Just hype, doesn't really mean anything. I love Mexican fighters, and I think if I was mexican, I wouldn't find it offensive.

Nowhere near as classless as Floyd not even tending to his fighter after getting KTFO, not escorting him from the arena, and then basically talking shit about him to the media ::

Also, what makes you think Roach is fake? I don't get that impression, from what I've seen of him.

 

Does Moorer have an ego and confrontational nature? I don't know much about him, but he seems like a nice guy, he doesn't seem egotistical or confrontational.

But again, I've never seen much of him outside the ring, so I'm only going by those 24/7 episodes.

 

Ask Guys who've had PRIVATE Conversations w/Roach...Like MUZSE, for Instance...ON CAMERA, Roach PORTRAYS Himself as this Poor Little Parkinson's Victim that DOESN'T Have a Bad Thing to Say about Anybody...But PRIVATELY, he's as OPINIONATED, JUDGEMENTAL & NEGATIVE as Anybody Else...

& Again, BoxingFanatics is a Site of Primarily Mexican Posters who DIDN'T Really Appreicate the "Mexican Assassin" Talk...Part of JM Marquez's Appeal is the he's TWICE Went Tooth & Nail w/the "Mexican Assassin"...

REED:kidcool:

 

REED has Heard him Described as an "Angry" Young Man Growing Up...REED Can't Recall Many Details Offhand, but Moorer had a Quasi "Tyson" Type of Vibe, Particularly N his PRE-Heavyweight Days...

& During an Episode of 24/7, Moorer Got BENT Out of Shape Over Visitors Leaning on a Counter in the Gym...It Got to the Point that Moorer LITERALLY Put Up a Sign WARNING People that there was a $1 or $2 Charge for Leaning on the Counter AND they Showed Moorer Walking Around COLLECTING from People::...

He's Proably Alot GENTLER than he USED to B, but Moorer Certainly DOESN'T Mind Being the "Muscle" or the "Bad Guy" in the Gym...



REED::

 

Mate, fuck right off with that shite. So I like Freddie because he's white and hate Floyd because he's black? That's the insinuation here?

Yes there are elements of black american CULTURE I hate, I neither deny that, see any reason to deny it or see how the FUCK it pertains to what we're talking about. Just like there are elements of Southern WHITE American CULTURE I hate, elements of white Scottish and Irish protestant CULTURE I hate etc. These cultures have many UGLY traits (and some good ones too, of course (in the case of Black American culture many historically fantastic ones)). That's not the same as prejudging people because of what culture they come from and certainly not the same as racism. Some of my best friends are from Unionist/Orange protestant backgrounds and I love too many Black American fighters to name. But because the Mayweathers are clearly scum bags I should tip toe around the fact because they're black? No thanks.

I asked you why you hate Freddie Roach and you come back at me with this fucking nonsense?:shit: But you've given me your answer - you hate him because he called Manny the 'mexican assassin'. That's it. As I said in the PM I sent you, you've obviously got a perspective and experience of racism that makes you far more sensitive to it than I am (or could be expected to be). If you find Freddie's moniker for Pac so abhorrent on it's own to sour you to the man then I'll respect your perspective but leave you to it.

 

racist

 

:atu: git that mike out ma face right now!

 

1st of All, when has REED EVER Said he 'Hated' Freddie Roach???...REED is just Shedding LIGHT on the Fact that Roach ISN'T this Saintly Figure that YOU'RE PORTRAYING him to B...Clearly, Roach ISN'T Racist, but Don't Tell REED how "Classy" he Is, when he's OPENLY Played the Race/Nationality Card...

2nd, the Issue Here is CLEARLY Floyd Sr...BECAUSE of your ADMITTED HISTORY of HATING Elements of Black-American Culture (Which is COMICAL Considering U've NEVER 1nce Actually MET a Black American::), it's NO Surprise to REED that Floyd Sr. is @ the TOP of your Current Shit List...Floyd Sr. is Pretty Much a LIVING STEREOTYPE of what People like YOU (ADMITTED HATERS of Certain African-American Elements) DETEST...U HATE the Man, yet U CLING to his EVERY WORD & U Come Equipped w/a FRESH Spin on how to Denigrate him...When All the While, IGNORING him would B MORE Effective...

Because of YOUR PRESUMPTIVE BULLSHIT about Floyd Sr. & People like Him, it's NO Surprise that Freddie Roach has Been CONSISTENTLY Placed on a Pedastal by YOU...You May or May Not HATE Other Elements of American or Euro Culture, but U're Certainly NOWHERE NEAR as VOCAL about it, as U R when it's Pertaining to AFRICAN-AMERICAN Culture...

REED DOESN'T Think U're Racist...But U Clearly HAVEN'T Been PRIVY to Enough Different Races & Cultures to ASSume as Much as U Do about them OR to ALLOW Yourself to B PROVOKED as U Sometimes R....

REED:kidcool:

 

Look this could easily degenerate further into a very heavy conversation about cultures, mediated experiences of cultures, how they're absorbed and repackaged in other places etc. Or worse. Suffice to say, when I very clumsily used the term 'black american culture', I was more narrowly referring to mainstream ghetto/hip hop culture and even more narrowly to how that is packaged and presented as a media phenomenon. And owning a television anywhere in the world entitles a person to an informed opinion on that.

And you're quite right - the Mayweathers are the apotheosis of everything I dislike about that which is in large part why I dislike them so much. But the culture (media phenomenon if you prefer) they mirror could just as easily NOT EXIST and I wouldn't dislike them any less. They're money obsessed, self obsessed, small minded, BORING, narcissistic & with a sense of entitlement disprortionate to their concern for actually achieving something to warrant the greatness they proclaim for themselves. Those are ugly character traits wherever they might come from.

 

Trust me guys, once Team Roach N Moorer (RnM!) have had the chance to develop Khan, he is going to be awesome. You can already see the improvements, I'm not saying he's going to reach Mannys level, but he will have a great career. I love Hatton, and he has had a far superior career to Amir at the moment, but Khan has much more natural talent and potential than Ricky, even with the dodgy chin.

 

Mayweather Sr. is a jerk, not sure why anyone would defend him, but could guess..

He's entertaining though opcorn:

 

Regardless, REED FAILS to See How U Could Soooooooo READILY & CONSISTENTLY B Put Off by it, when AGAIN, U HAVE NEVER EVER PERSONALLY MET or Even Had a Friggin CONVERSATION w/a Person of "Black American/Ghetto Mainstream/Hip Hop Culture"...Yet U UNapologetically Cast Aspersions Upon an ENTIRE Cultural Phenomenon???...

The Mere FACT that U HONESTLY Think Owning a Fucking Television Somehow ENTITLES U to Prejudge is DISTURBING in it's Own Right, Dude...But as REED has Told U MANY Times, he Attributes it MORE to your AGE & LACK of Experience than he Does to Any TRUE Racist Feelings...

Not TRYING to B an Asshole, but U're just IGNORANT...


REED:hammert:

 

The chin is the issue and will always be a problem. Unless Khan can be manage dto never fight a puncher or a guy with a decent reach or height, he won't be a factor.

He'll pick up BS belts from light hitting guys and make some defenses but he has to be managed perfectly.

Khan isn't very good.

 

Time will tell, although I can certainly see why you and others think this is the case, we will see.

I honestly think Freddie wouldn't waste his time with someone like Khan if he didn't think he could go far. Remember Manny was KOed and getting knocked down by guys like Nedal Hussein, and look at him now.

Saying that though, Musze, who would you say is more naturally talented out of Hatton and Khan?