Can Manny give Floyd his first loss?

I don't think so.

Floyd is too big and too fast.

Everyone is clamoring how fast Manny is P4P? Floyd is faster and much better defensively.

 

I still think Cotto and Mosley are Mayweather biggest challenges.....but WAR PACQUIAO!!! if he gets his shot at Mayweather...and considering he is smaller than the other two..Mayweather might give him the chance...

 

Yes he CAN. Manny is one of the best 20 fighters ever, at his absolute prime.

Thats why this fight is HUUUUGE.

 

Don't we already have several threads discussing this fight? But anyway I say YES HE CAN! Speed kills baby and Manny is way faster than Floyd of both and hand and especially FOOT.

 

CAN he do it: YES. WILL he do it? MAYBE.

I'm sure Mayweather has continued to train. He has one of the best lines: "Be ready so you don't have to get ready." But we'll see how much RUST is there after 1.5 years of inactivity in the ring.

This is THE fight in boxing. They both could make 20-30 million. Roach already stated the fights have to be made at 140 or the highest 143. Out of Mosley, Cotto, Mayweather, the latter has the best chance to do it. Cotto always struggled to make 140, Mosley hasn't done it in a very long time.

Pacquaio has a good beard and will fire back if and when potshotted. Manny has incredible handspeed and is unorthodox enough for him to do the potshotting. It will take the early rounds for Mayweather to adjust to Pacquaio's speed and pace. Unlike Judah, Manny will be in tip top condition to go the full 12 fighting 3 minutes of every round.

But Mayweather knows Pacquaio fights best when he is attacked, so look for him to box and be on his bike early. It is up to Pacquaio to notice when Mayweather becomes braver for him to also up his offense.

HUGE HUGE HUGE fight!!!ray:

 

Floyd is not faster, watch both their fights against Oscar and Hatton.

Manny made them both look like they were fighting in slow motion.

Manny is faster than Judah, who was faster than Floyd.

Come fight time, you'll see Pacman is significantly quicker of hand and foot.

 

If he is repeatedly in a clinch when Mayweather ducks down when opponent's get into range, then he is in trouble. More opportunity for Floyd to get one shot off, then hold or move away. I think one KEY area is how well Pacquaio gives himself room to punch. I don't think he'll be at a REACH disadvantage.

 

Why don't you Floyd fanatics explain the reason for Floyd not fighting guys in his own weight class like Cotto and Shane Mosley? Why is he going after smaller men? Explain that.

 

:bears:

 

We'll have to see how Floyd looks vs Marquez first. If he's slid... then yes Manny has a very good chance of beating him.

At Floyd's best though... I dont see Manny winning. Floyd just has so many tools, and is so smart, and he's TOUGH both mentally n physically... that eventually I see him figuring out Manny's style n outboxing him.

Floyd has become such a pick however... that if Manny stretched him, I'd actually be kinda glad.

 

Any explanation given will be less than satisfactory.

At 135, after razor thin decisions against Castillo, he fought Sosa, N'Dou.
At 140, Corley, Bruseles, and Gatti.
At147, Sharmba Mitchell, Judah (smaller welters) Baldomir
At 154, De la Hoya
Then he fought the LINEAL champion from the jr welter division at 147. A weight very favorable to him for the fight.

All the while, Pacquaio was fighting p4p fighters in Barrera, Morales, Marquez. STOPPED Oscar at 147 and the lineal champion from 140 AT 140.

In his defense, I think Pacquaio at 140 is a TOUGHER fight than Mosley, Cotto at 147.

Marquez is a great fighter but has NEVER fought above 135.

 

@ this thread

IMO "NO" he can not beat Floyd

 

If anyone wants to make and argument and say Manny is faster I have no issues with but you Pacquifans are gonna be in for a rude awakening when you see how they match on speed.

 

haha

amen

 

His combinations are faster thats for sure.

 

Me, too. Seeing Mayweather's endless running mouth being shut for good would be awesome.

But on the other hand...could you IMAGINE how much MORE obnoxious folks like Jaws and Alabama Man would become if Pacquiao knocked out Mayweather?


Ugh. That alone might be enough for me to cheer for Mayweather. ::

 

PBF is simply in another level. He will outpoint and maybe stop Pacman @147.

In all reality though we have to see how PBF looks after this layoff.

 

I think if they ever fight, Mayweather will be using his elbows to give himself room a lot less thanks to Manny.

The majority of clinches will occur when Mayweather is coming forward. When he did that at 140, he was hurt BADLY by Chop chop Corley, twice.

 

Roach already said it a NO GO at 147. Pacman is STAYING at 140.

 

Wow, I never saw it that way, pretty scary outlook... On the other hand one can wonder if rjjrp4pno1 can get worse... That might be an equalizer...

 

I agree..

lets see if the layoff matters or not..

i think he'll give JMM a BEATING

 

Saturday was the first and only time I had some doubts as to Manny's ability to win a big fight. I won't make that mistake again. If he says he can beat Floyd, I believe him, until I see the evidence of him beaten with my own two eyes...

MTF

 

It's the other way round.

Floyd wins are going to be shocked at how much faster Pacman is.

Floyd fans are seriously confused. They seem to think Floyd is as quick as he was at 130, which simply isn't the case. As he's moved up in weight his speed as decreased, as is normal in most cases.

The difference is, as Pacman has moved up in weight he's retained all of his speed.

He'll be much faster than Floyd at 140 something, much faster.

 

I agree his speed has decreased but no, Manny won't be much faster. Not at all. JMM more than hang in there with his speed and timing. Watch Floyd clock Manny often with the quick right hand.

 

True Story.

However Floyd would be the first fighter Manny would have fought above 130 with a good straight right hand. Oscar, Ricky and Diaz all have no good right hands.

 

a mayweather jr pacquaio fight won't come down to handspeed.

it will come down to whether mayweather jr's reflexes and timing are at least 80% of what they were before he left. we shall see versus marquez. if mayweather jr still has the timing but his reflexes have slipped considerably he can still defeat pacquaio, but it will be a lot more difficult and he'll have to display toughness he has yet needed to show.

 

Wow, I can't believe you agree ;)

Floyd DOES have a very nice right hand. It's not lightning fast, but it's really straight, and accurate.

The last fighter Manny faced with a great right hand was Erik, and El Terrible obviously made it count in the first fight.

As we've seen from Pacman though, he's evolved an incredible amount even since that first Morales fight. He clearly studies hard in the gym, and come fight time is going to be every bit as strategic as Mayweather.

By the way - :: at your sig

 

That's what makes the fight so difficult to predict. They are perhaps the most ACCURATE punchers in the sport. Mayweather more so, because he is so effecient and waste so little, yet Pacquaio has been more aggressive and naturaly will miss more.

JMM controlled Manny's speed by waiting on his back foot and countering, yet was still FLOORED and lost the rematch deservedly.